Posted on 11/27/2015 9:30:12 AM PST by amorphous
By now everyone is aware of the Turkish side of the story of how a Russian Su-24 was downed by a Turkish F-16 on Tuesday morning, when it allegedly crossed into Turkish airspace for a grand total of 17 seconds, with Turkey supposedly warning the Russian bomber which had been targeting alleged jihadists in the region no less than "ten times." Turkey even produced an alleged recording of said warning, which Russia implied was faked as the surviving pilot made it very clear no actual warning had been received by the Russian warplane.
So now that Russia has had three days to go through the evidence and assemble the pieces of what it thinks happened, here is the summary as presented earlier today by the Commander in Chief of the Russian air force, Viktor Bondarev, which however presents a very gloomy picture with dire consequences for the peaceful geopolitics of the middle east.
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Thanks for the ping to Patton’s comment.
Too bad. Otherwise, you could post charts / data, from Turkish or NATO sources that counters these provided by Russia, and we could discuss 'em. Huh!
What I don't understand is if you whinney retards (and there are a number of you) are so offended by certain news sources, why do you even click on the thread? Or is it you just like farting in public places?
Good point. Tells you all you need to know about Obama and his administration, which has to be the worst pack of executive office miscreants in all of American history!
When this first broke the press said our pilots heard the warning.
Is that now an inoperative statement ?
Is this like the first press statements about the downed Russian passenger plane in the Sinai, falsely stating that the pilot radioed the plane was experiencing"technical difficulties" just before the crash. - Tom
The evidence is mounting that it was indeed an ambush, the question is,why did the Turks take such extreme action.
First, off they obviously wanted to use the shoot down to draw NATO into the fight on the side of Turkey and the ISIS. They put in the request to NATO and NATO turned them down flat.
But there is a lot more to this than what is being reported in the media.
Much can be gleaned from the back stories in the various news reports and the preponderance of the evidence supports the view that Turkey is a major supporter of ISIS and a partner in the ISIS black market oil trade and Turkey is also a major financial beneficiary. About the only place ISIS can ship it's oil by tanker truck transport and sell it is Turkey.
Reports also suggest that Turkey is heavily involved with support for ISIS and is infiltrating weapons, ammo and supplies to ISIS across the borders.
Reports also suggest that Turkish paramilitary troops are fighting side by side with ISIS in Syria and that Turkey is providing safe havens on the borders just inside Turkey in strategic border locations to ISIS for Jihadi camps for training, staging of operations, weapons and ammo dumps, oil distribution and other critical basing and operational needs. In effect, ISIS is headquartered in Turkey and operates it's Syrian war efforts out of safe haven bases just inside the Turkish border to protect ISIS Jihadi and assets from attack.
To put a stop to this cross border game Turkey and ISIS are playing , the Russians have been flying border interdiction missions with their Su-24 ground attack jets (this plane is the Russian's A-10 Wart Hog) along the border and just inside the Syrian side of the border.
The Russian pilots were probably also attacking ISIS targets of opportunity on the Turkish side of the border whenever they could do so without making an incursion into Turkish airspace
These border overflights were effective in shutting down the flow of oil trucks across the border and were cutting ISIS Jihadi off from their bases in their safe havens just across the Turkish and were denying ISIS access to it's critical Turkish based supply and support network.
It is also very likely that there was a major joint operation between ISIS and Turkish paramilitary Jihadi in progress on both sides of the border in the area where the Russian plane was shot down and the Turk F-16s were protecting these Jihadi from discovery or attack by the Russians.
This would explain the presence of the Jihadi fighter concentrations as well as the presence and use of Turkish supplied sophisticated American weapons.
This was a sophisticated and well planned operation so it is very likely that the Russian flight information was leaked to the Turks , probably by sources with access to the flight schedules provided by the Russians to American sources.
521. HERMES AND THE ARABS
Perry 309 (Babrius 57)
Hermes filled a cart with lies and dishonesty and all sorts of wicked tricks, and he journeyed in this cart throughout the land, going hither and thither from one tribe to another, dispensing to each nation a small portion of his wares. When he reached the land of the Arabs, so the story goes, his cart suddenly broke down along the way and was stuck there. The Arabs seized the contents of the cart as if it were a merchant's valuable cargo, stripping the cart bare and preventing Hermes from continuing on his journey, although there were still some people he had not yet visited. As a result, Arabs are liars and charlatans, as I myself have learned from experience. There is not a word of truth that springs from their lips.
And Aesop lived 1,200 years before there was islam, all mohammand did was to make a vile religion out of the Arab's nature. It deservers what the Thug religion got.
thanks for posting this...very interesting
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