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Saying leave up to states is giving up the bully pulpit of the president, and aburgating responsibility for federal policy. The states do not set federal policy—does the federal government recognize homosexual marriage. Seems like Cruz took the easy way out—now he can appease two groups, those that want it left to states where it is being usurped by state and federal courts but his constitutional rights folks thinks he’s siding with them, even if losing. And his homosexual money givers get him out of federal policy, leaving homosexual marriage and benefits in place. Who loses? Conservatives at all levels because homosexuality becomes the law of the land.


2 posted on 01/02/2016 6:15:38 PM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Reno89519

At this point states rights would be a giant step int he right direction, even though as the author said, it would cause lots of legal disagreements.

Because the right has so utterly surrendered what was a few years back a bunch of wins — Federal DOMA, many state DOMAs and Amendments, lots of discussion of an amendment — we probably will need to be incremental.

The left was utterly hypocritical on the states rights issue. That is why we should be able to pull that one off. They sold most of their deviant issues by demanding states rights and then WHAM, they went federal. That hypocrisy together with the fact that many many voters voted for state amendments and then were robbed by the Supreme Black Robed Rulers that back that down should be very doable.

I still think because Utah had to give up polygamy that that core definition of marriage could and should be federal. I just think the other way would be easier.


4 posted on 01/02/2016 6:40:49 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Reno89519
Saying leave up to states is giving up the bully pulpit of the president, and aburgating responsibility for federal policy.

No, it recognizing that the Constitution leaves such issues up to the states. Cruz has made his opposition to same-sex marriage very public, and I am sure he would work with Congress on any Federal policies relating to it (military, tax policy, entitlement, overturning the Oberfell decision), but the Constitution does not give the Federal government any role in state marriage laws, and there is no Federal marriage law.

It amazes me that people who claim to be conservative and outraged at Obama's contempt for the Constitution seem to want to elect someone who will treat the Constitution with the same contempt - just in support of their preferred outcomes.

7 posted on 01/02/2016 7:02:16 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Reno89519
Some folks will never be satisfied with anyone else as long as they consider themselves to be the ideal that others should emulate.

The unexamined life is not worth living - and it leads one to consider himself the ying and yang of all that's good and right.

Take the redwood forest out of your eyes before you carp about the mote in others' eyes.

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23 posted on 01/03/2016 5:37:53 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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