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To: RC one
This is why we need to put Cruz down with the eligibility issue.

I'm not going to go so far as to say that, because I like Cruz too. And I'm not going to stoop so low to attack all the Cruz supporters like they are attacking us, it serves no purpose.

This is a replay of the 2012 election where Romney received a vast majority of the primary votes and thus became the nominee but lost the election due to the stay at home "purists" who never voted or voted for some obscure candidate who never appeared on the ballots of the majority of the states. And yet THEY who stayed home blamed the election of Obama on the very people who voted against him.........Go figure!

149 posted on 01/20/2016 1:49:48 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Dear Santa: Please find a home for every homeless and unwanted cat and dog that is suffering)
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To: Hot Tabasco
This is a replay of the 2012 election

That's why Cruz needs put down hard and decisively. He needs to cease to be a factor in this election ASAP. I like him too and I even sent him a little money when he started out because he I liked the way he defended the 2nd amendment but he's a major liability at this point and he and his supporters are going to drag us down the same path that Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich dragged us down in 2012. Any opportunity to remove him from this race should be seized and this citizenship issue is definitely such an opportunity. All else aside, he really isn't constitutionally eligible. He isn't a NBC.

157 posted on 01/20/2016 4:21:34 PM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: Hot Tabasco
This is a replay of the 2012 election where Romney received a vast majority of the primary votes and thus became the nominee but lost the election due to the stay at home "purists" who never voted or voted for some obscure candidate who never appeared on the ballots of the majority of the states. And yet THEY who stayed home blamed the election of Obama on the very people who voted against him.........Go figure!

The blame goes to those that put Romney on the general election ballot in the first place, whoever that may be in the (R)epublicrat establishment and rank and file primary voters.

But can we mention the fact that nominating the father of Romneycare takes the issue of Obamacare right off the table? The very same number one issue that drove the people into massive TEA Party rallies in 2009 and 2010, and retook the Congress. That was a massive kick in their teeth and obviously depressed those voters. Your position is that they should have rewarded the (R)INOs with their votes anyway.

And can we mention the fact that running a Mormon instantly depresses Christian turnout? Even a Catholic JFK had difficulties, so running an even smaller minority religion which is viewed as cult'ish unsurprisingly depressed that turnout.

And of course don't mention the fact that Romney decided against self-financing his election and relied on public funding which indicates he wasn't even willing to bet on himself. Pete Rose probably laughed at him.

So are we really sure that the (R)INO (R)omneycrat establishment machine were even trying to win at all? Or was it just a typical uniparty exercise of Kabuki theater? Heads They Win, Tails We Lose.

But the real answer has nothing to do with stay at home voters. In the twelve non-"red" non-"blue" purple swing states, McCain/Palin 2008 picked up zero and Romney/Ryan 2012 picked up exactly two ( IN and NC ). And only in Indiana was there any substantial turnaround ( +6% ) so the result was practically the same between the two campaigns. The slightly higher electoral vote difference above those two states came from the post-2010 census redistricting adjustment ( Romney had a slightly higher headstart than McCain ). Romney/Ryan actually received +1 million votes over McCain/Palin but factoring population inflation that is a wash too.

So if you ask me it is more accurate to say that the presence of establishment RINOs at the top of the tickets in both elections depressed turnout equally and predictably. But blaming the voters for the Obama wins is silly IMHO. In truth, probably no-one could defeat the historic dude with the magical skin color at that point in time, on the heels of a beaten and bloodied Bush43 limping out of town.

Why can't they just come out and say: How dare voters not support (R)INO Romney whether you wanted him or not?. That makes it simple to answer. Doing so further enables the GOPe to do it again and again. That's how we got here. But there is more ...

We heard the same thing about Ford/Dole during the Carter years ( it was a close election BTW ) especially during the 444 days. However, in reality it took Peanut Boy to pave the way for Reagan, because had Ford won in 1976, Reagan would never had seen the White House. A liberal would have won in 1980, the whole timeline gets skewed, and GOPe is still in business come 1984 or 1988. God works in mysterious, yet often predictable ways. If one year from today on January 20, 2017 we have a replacement such as Trump, history will have nearly repeated itself. Mysterious and predictable indeed.

158 posted on 01/20/2016 6:00:32 PM PST by Democratic-Republican
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