Posted on 01/27/2016 2:26:40 PM PST by Olog-hai
The family of a 51-year-old man who screamed 20 times that police were killing him has settled a wrongful-death lawsuit with the city of Oakland.
The Oakland Tribune reports Wednesday that Hernan Jaramillo also wailed that he couldn't breathe repeatedly before he died in 2013. [...]
An autopsy found the cause of death to be multiple drug intoxication associated with physical exertion. ...
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“Officers detained him because Jaramillo had blocked their efforts to investigate the incident and appeared to be having a mental health episode, the city argued.”
A mental health episode is clearly a death penalty offense.
His family hit the Victims Lottery funded by the taxpayers when a worthless individual dies during an arrest.
Bingo
That’s a myth that gets people killed.
I almost died from an allergy attack and shock because the nurse said that if I could speak, I was fine.
You can get *just* enough air to speak, but not have enough to sustain life.
I HATE this myth and people need to stop touting it.
If one is capable of yelling and screaming, one is not having any problems breathing.
Unlikely that Jaramillo was experiencing an allergy attack.
Breathing is periodic. Not breathing is death. Letting out a scream because of the difficulty of not breathing periodically is perfectly reasonable.
Unless you're trying to justify murder. Is that what you're playing word games to achieve? Ever witness someone ask for help during an asthma attack, or are you just entirely ignorant and indifferent to life threatening situations created by police intervention?
No, “not breathing” is not instant death, but choking, whether by external force or by internal swelling or inflammation of airways. If you can scream, you are definitely getting air into and out of your lungs. And Jaramillo was screaming repeatedly. The autopsy reveals what his health problems were.
I have relatives who suffer from asthma, and the last thing they can do during an attack is yell, much less repeatedly. Communication is with hands if the attack is really bad.
While it may or may not be pertinent in the captioned case, there’s asthma, and then there’s emphysema. In emphysema, air that has given up its oxygen long ago is trapped inside the lungs (and there can be a lot of trapped air). Little volume is left over for adequate ‘fresh’ air on inhalation (air hunger). Exertion will drop oxygen levels in an emphysemic like a rock, so, even if they are inhaling, (and using their vocal cords profusely during exhale) emphysemics may not able to push out enough of the trapped air to allow adequate oxygenated air in. Oxygen starvation increases pulmonary pressure and affects heart function and emotional response (increased levels of fear, anger, panic, fight-or-flight). That is, someone suffering from oxygen deprivation is not going to ‘relax’. Typical cuffing position, face down, arms down and behind the back, compresses the chest cavity and restricts the chest muscles used to force air out. An emphysemic in crisis needs to open the chest cavity, allowing deeper, forced exhaling and inhaling (on hands and knees or sitting, arms out or winged behind head). Some asphyxiation related deaths during arrest might be prevented by assuming that anyone over the age of 40 has some level of lung disease, by being aware of the difference between asthma and emphysema and by asking if a person is feeling ‘air hunger’ and then allowing position adjustment.
I have relatives who suffer from asthma, and the last thing they can do during an attack is yell, much less repeatedly. Communication is with hands if the attack is really bad.
And to think there are actually medical professionals who don't understand that there's no such thing as life threatening breathing difficulties in which the sufferer can verbally express anguish, or even scream.
You should write a book for doctors, called "No subtlety - either they're fine or they're dead."
Just imagine all the healthcare costs it would save. And you can just flat out get rid of the entire profession of thoracic medicine. Just bring a cop in to diagnose. He can taze the patient a few times to see if they croak. Kind of like testing for witchcraft by drowning them.
Oh I'm sorry, do I sound disgusted? Good.
You sound like you have an agenda, frankly.
If you can instead cite where medical professionals have documented people with severe breathing difficulties being able to shout at the top of their lungs, rather than play the liberal “disgust” card and throw static at me, I’d certainly be disposed to listen.
Thanks for the additional details.
The autopsy of the protagonist here indicates intoxication. Someone who is emphysemic would not be disposed to display aggression towards family members too, I suspect.
I think that's my line, actually.
Hey, thanks for the explanation of emphysema.
It was very informative.
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