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Chemical Weapons Found in Iraq Were Not Those Used to Justify Invasion
The New American ^ | 15 October 2014 | Warren Mass

Posted on 02/15/2016 3:45:55 AM PST by VitacoreVision

U.S. troops and U.S.-trained Iraqi forces uncovered about 5,000 chemical weapons in Iraq between 2004 and 2011 and soldiers were injured by these weapons in six instances. However, the weapons had not been manufactured during an active, ongoing chemical weapons program, which the Bush administration cited as justification for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Details of the discovery of these weapons were published by the New York Times on October 14, in a lengthy, 9,000-word report written by former Marine Corps officer and veteran journalist C.J. Chivers.

Despite injuries to our troops, the U.S. government withheld information about the discovery of the weapons even from troops it sent into harm's way and from military doctors.

"'Nothing of significance' is what I was ordered to say," retired Army Major Jarrod Lampier told the Times. Lampier was on site when the largest chemical weapons dump, containing 2,400 warheads, was found.  

The Times report offered reasons why the news of the discovery of the weapons and the injuries they inflicted on our soldiers was withheld from the public:

Participants in the chemical weapons discoveries said the United States suppressed knowledge of finds for multiple reasons, including that the government bristled at further acknowledgment it had been wrong. "They needed something to say that after Sept. 11 Saddam used chemical rounds," Lampier said. "And all of this was from the pre-1991 era."

Others pointed to another embarrassment. In five of six incidents in which troops were wounded by chemical agents, the munitions appeared to have been designed in the United States, manufactured in Europe and filled in chemical agent production lines built in Iraq by Western companies.

All the weapons found in Iraq were produced during a crash program started in the 1980s for use against Iran during the Iran-Iraq War from September 1980 to August 1988. Since the overthrow of the Shah in the 1979 Iranian revolution, and the subsequent hostage crisis that began with the occupation of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries on November 4, 1979 -- after which 52 American diplomats and citizens were held hostage for 444 days -- the United States and the revolutionary Iranian government had regarded each other as fierce adversaries.

With this history, the United States covertly aided Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran. A report in the New York Times on August 18, 2002 referenced then-current statements made by President George W. Bush and his national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, that Iraqi use of chemical weapons against Iran was justification for "regime change" in Iraq. The article, headlined "Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas," pointed to the blatant hypocrisy of the Bush administration's position, given U.S. complicity in Iraq's earlier chemical weapons program.

When the Times contacted Frank Carlucci, the Reagan administration defense secretary from 1987-89, he stated: "I did agree that Iraq should not lose the war, but I certainly had no foreknowledge of their use of chemical weapons."

Col. Walter Lang, retired, the senior defense intelligence officer at the time of the Iraq-Iran War, told the Times he would not discuss classified information, but added that both DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) and CIA officials "were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose" to Iran.

"The use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern," Land said. He added that Reagan's aides were more concerned that Iran not break through to the Fao Peninsula and spread the Islamic revolution to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Colonel Lang said that the DIA "would have never accepted the use of chemical weapons against civilians, but the use against military objectives was seen as inevitable in the Iraqi struggle for survival."

The chemical weapons discovered during the post-Saddam U.S. occupation of Iraq, according to what was revealed in this latest exposé, were basically surplus war materiel left over from Iraq's war with Iran. The Times report noted:

All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area, according to those who collected the majority of them.

Despite the fact there is no evidence that Saddam's government manufactured chemical weapons after 1991, President Bush, on September 12, 2002, while attempting to build a case for the 2003 Iraq invasion, said: "Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons." (Unlike the chemical weapons found by U.S. troops, no biological weapons at all were found.)

Bush continued, "The regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons."

Had the discovery of the chemical weapons been useful to the Bush administration when they were first uncovered, there is little doubt that their discovery would have been widely publicized by the White House to justify the 2003 invasion. Instead, their discovery was kept a secret, even when hiding their existence posed a serious threat to our troops in Iraq.  Far from justifying the invasion of Iraq, the age and obsolescence of the weapons only confirmed that the invasion had been launched under false pretenses.

In our July 6, 2008 article, "Did We Get Lied Into War?" we described the findings of a 170-page report compiled by the Senate Intelligence Committee, concluding five years of investigations. The committee focused especially on five key speeches made by administration officials concerning "the threats posed by Iraq, Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Iraqi ties to terrorist groups, and possible consequences of a US invasion of Iraq." It selected statements from those five speeches pertaining to eight categories: nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction, methods of delivery, links to terrorism, regime intent, and assessments about the postwar situation in Iraq.

We will look at what the Senate report said about chemical weapons. It first cited an excerpt from a Bush speech delivered on September 12, 2002:

United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.

The Senate report offered this reaction to the Bush assertion:

The committee's conclusions initially related that statements by the administration "regarding Iraq's possession of chemical weapons were substantiated by intelligence information." But then it added: "Statements ... regarding Iraq's chemical weapons production capability and activities  did not reflect the intelligence community's uncertainties  as to whether such production was ongoing."[Italics in original.]

The committee's "postwar findings" once more contradict prewar administration allegations, finding: "The Iraq Survey Group conducted its review of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs and found that there 'were no caches of CW munitions.'"

But Saddam's antique store of chemical weapons, some of which were developed with the help of Western governments to use against Iran, have not outlived their usefulness. The Times report notes:

Many chemical weapons incidents clustered around the ruins of the Muthanna State Establishment, the center of Iraqi chemical agent production in the 1980s.

Since June, the compound has been held by the Islamic State [ISIS], the world's most radical and violent jihadist group.

It would not be surprising if our government soon announced that we must send troops to Iraq to prevent ISIS from accumulating some of those same second-hand chemical weapons that were used to justify the removal of Saddam Hussein.

Related article:

Did We Get Lied Into War?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carlucci; chemicalweapons; chivers; cjchivers; dnctalkingpoints; frankcarlucci; iraq; iraqiwmd; iraqwar; jarrodlampier; lampier; lang; muthanna; saddam; thenewamerican; walterlang; warrenmass; wmd
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1 posted on 02/15/2016 3:45:56 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

NO MORE BUSHS’


2 posted on 02/15/2016 3:49:02 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: VitacoreVision

Except for the 500 TONS of yellowcake. Yeah, there’s that.


3 posted on 02/15/2016 4:02:44 AM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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"6 incidents?" Over 700 Iraqi War vets not being compensated for exposure to WMD during the war. VA compensation rates vary, due to degree of disability patients presents with. Some have been awarded Purple Hearts for their injuries.

Some were ordered to be silent about their exposure. Others ignored, criticized. Pentagon actually apologized for their behavior.

Agent Orange redux...Gulf War Syndrome redux.

4 posted on 02/15/2016 4:05:31 AM PST by donozark (Bernie Sanders:I was commie when commie wasn't koo-ol!)
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Should read NOW being compensated


5 posted on 02/15/2016 4:06:06 AM PST by donozark (Bernie Sanders:I was commie when commie wasn't koo-ol!)
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To: LS

They forgot about the yellow cake.


6 posted on 02/15/2016 4:13:19 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: VitacoreVision

“These are not the WMD you are looking for.”


7 posted on 02/15/2016 4:16:36 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: LS
"Except for the 500 TONS of yellowcake."

According to July 5, 2008, AP report, a senior U.S. official said that the 550 tons of yellowcake, which is purified, but unenriched uranium oxide from uranium ore, had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991.

8 posted on 02/15/2016 4:22:07 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

that yellow cake was already known about and stored by the inspectors long before,, it had to do with the nuclear program from the early 80’s that didn’t work out because the Israelis blew the reactors up.. it had nothing to do with the invasion.. next?


9 posted on 02/15/2016 4:22:33 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: VitacoreVision

By the time the UN arguments and all the rest of the hooha had gone down, anyone who did not know the US was going to invade Saddam’s Iraq was living in the deep woods, was in a coma, or had recently died.

During the month or so that the process took, multiple long convoys of trucks (semis) under Russian escort where tracked, monitored, and watched by Spec Ops as they left Iraq and disappeared into the Bekka Valley; no attempt was made to stop them or learn of the trucks’ contents.

It is more than likely that the real chemical weapons (that all the world’s intelligence agencies were reporting as existing in Iraq) were transferred rapidly out in order to stop the impending US invasion. It is also likely that the chemical weapons turned over by Assad a while back were those same weapons.

Now of course, Hillary’s stalking horse has made hindsight going back over a dozen years a campaign issue, further dividing the voters and demonstrating that there are no adults among the men vying for the job, just hacks. Naturally, supporters of one hack or the other will not only jump on me, but further demonstrate that they - like whichever hack they support - are the putty Democrats’ use to complete their playbook plans.


10 posted on 02/15/2016 4:24:55 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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All true enough - many of us believe/believed that the convoys od truck heading for the border contained the proof but I also believe we could have come up with some definitive proof if we thought it existed. Not good to leave something like the driving force for going to war unresolved like this ended up.

Then, we opted to play nice instead of crushing the enemy we had selected - real cluster-"fudge" in the end.

11 posted on 02/15/2016 4:25:47 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: VitacoreVision

Everyone knew Iraq had chemical weapons going back to the mid-1980s. They were used in the Iran-Iraq war and then again the Kurds in 1988.

Did we invade Iraq because of 15 - 20 year-old chemical weapons stockpiles? I don’t believe any evidence was found of an ongoing chemical weapons program.

And others have posted that the yellow cake was leftover from the early ‘80s nuclear program ended by the Israeli’s bombing of Iraq’s only nuclear plant.

I think the claim for going to war with Iraq had to do with ongoing WMD programs, not leftovers from the 1980s.


12 posted on 02/15/2016 4:31:22 AM PST by Will88
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To: LS

The cake is a lie.

Niger uranium forgeries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

The Niger uranium forgeries were forged documents initially revealed by SISMI (Italian military intelligence), which seem to depict an attempt made by Saddam Hussein in Iraq to purchase yellowcake uranium powder from Niger during the Iraq disarmament crisis.

On the basis of these documents and other indicators, the governments of the United States and the United Kingdom asserted that Iraq violated United Nations Iraq sanctions by attempting to procure nuclear material for the purpose of creating weapons of mass destruction.


13 posted on 02/15/2016 4:34:16 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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Why is no one mentioning all the weapons that went into Syria that were supposed to qualify as WMD’s?

Years ago that was a dominant view here on FR...........


14 posted on 02/15/2016 4:34:38 AM PST by Arlis
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To: VitacoreVision

bkmk. bttt


15 posted on 02/15/2016 4:39:53 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: donozark

245T, My dad used to use that stuff (and I was exposed when I was a kid)..


16 posted on 02/15/2016 4:43:05 AM PST by Bikkuri ((...))
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To: Arlis
Why is no one mentioning all the weapons that went into Syria that were supposed to qualify as WMDs?

Has there ever been any credible evidence that such weapons were actually in Syria? With all the intelligence sources the US and Israel has in that region, you'd think there would be evidence of what the large number of tractor/trailer rigs supposed carried, and where it was stored.

17 posted on 02/15/2016 4:56:12 AM PST by Will88
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To: LS

Yelllowcake was to line the swimming pool?

The bio-weapon cooker COULD NOT BE REAL—the drain mechanism was too small and would only FILL ONE SHELL AT A TIME.

Hence-”no ONGOING system.......................”


18 posted on 02/15/2016 4:59:58 AM PST by Flintlock (-Our ballot box STOLEN, our soap box GONE, we're left with our bullet box, now.---)
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To: Will88

Israel knows the truth and they aren’t telling.


19 posted on 02/15/2016 5:01:51 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Will88
Iraqi Air force's 2nd in command said they went to Syria, by plane and truck... where they have been used in the latest civil war. No real suprise there.

The only reason it is in the news now is that the media knows the WMD issue makes Republicans look bad and want to divert away from negative Hilary publicity by focusing on negative Bush publicity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

http://spectator.org/articles/60689/new-york-times-rediscovers-weapons-mass-destruction-iraq

Moshe Ya’alon, Israel’s Defense Minister, was Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Force during OIF. Gen. Ya’alon subsequently said much the same as Gen. Clapper: on the war’s eve, Saddam “transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria. No one went to Syria to find it.” That view was echoed by Iraqi general Georges Sada, former Deputy Chief of Saddam’s Air Force.

20 posted on 02/15/2016 5:09:55 AM PST by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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