Posted on 02/18/2016 9:58:26 PM PST by TigerClaws
oh forgot about that...the bush’s love this birther issue. they hate Cruz
Well, if that's the case, I want the White House cleaned out by 8 p.m. tonight, and every E.O. and signature voided all the way back to January 21, 2009.
That would be okay with me, even if Ted Cruz had to go back to practicing law.
Any left wing activist judge that tries also risks sanction if his/her reversal appears politically motivated.
All the Obama suits were Federal suits.
This is a state action on ballot access and states get to decide the rules for access to THEIR ballot.
It's coming from a completely different legal angle, and one which presents enormous threat to Cruz.
You sure like to confuse us with the idea that citizenship is the same as Natural Born Citizen. Nice try!
Everybody south of the Ohio River and Mason-Dixon is a mouthbreather. Everyone south of the Ohio River and Mason-Dixon who owns a gun is a mouth-breathing, knuckledragging, Kluxer neckbeard redneck cracka, and people like that the Bushes won't even pretend to share any faith, fidelity, allegiance, or citizenship with. They hate them .... if they amount to anything; otherwise they just quietly despise them.
Babs Bush used to complain that Nancy Reagan, during the Reagans' eight-year incumbency, never invited the Bushes up to the family quarters of the White House. It was news to me, but apparently that was (is? ... if Beastie and Mooch haven't ruined it) a pretty big social deal (among women? -- help me out here).
My theory, buttressed by an article in the August 1988 Atlantic Monthly, is that the Bushes were the real snobs, and Nancy knew it; that if the situation had been reversed, Nancy and her Hollywood-trash husband would never have darkened the door of the White House except on official business and state functions.
JMHO.
What he's quoting, is a sort of end-around/exception to the residency requirements for the offspring's own citizenship as outlined under previous portions of 8 U.S.C. 1801(g), in instances a foreign born, alien father himself becomes naturalized, and living within the United States as naturalized citizen, which influence then as "an American" albeit naturalized, is thought to assist towards providing additional support for the already established exception for strictly by birth jur soli (of the soil/of the land) consideration be absolutely necessary --- in regards to what it means to be a citizen of the United States.
This came to be eventually included for reason it was recognized that being raised up into adulthood while within U.S. culture & influence (rather than foreign) -- AND the father having given up that the father's own foreign identity, willingly, such father when married to a U.S. citizen mother and residing within the United States would thus likely assist in passing on/imprinting upon a youth civic spirit "of the land" of the United States.
WhiskeyX has been presenting this portion of the code while at the same time holding the ill-considered view the phrase "citizen by statute" means the same thing everywhere that phrase can be found within code of law, and Supreme Court non-binding dicta.
In those places wherein that phrase is found and that equate to act of 'naturalization' to have occurred, it was often in regards to those who were thus 'naturalized' at some time after their birth by way of statute which was made retroactive upon adoption of that law, and would have applied to themselves retroactively to the time of their birth. That is a different than being born a citizen, more simply put, including in the exception to jur soli consideration necessarily need be in all circumstances of birth.
It's slippery stuff to nail it all down.
I'll assume you know that already, along with pretty much everything else I just mentioned, clumsily written though, what I've tried to express may be.
Agree totally. What a crock. Dozens of Obama eligibility lawsuits were tossed for “no standing”.. Anti Cruz lawsuits sail through?? WTF??
Ping for later
“You sure like to confuse us with the idea that citizenship is the same as Natural Born Citizen. Nice try!”
No, you’ve got that exactly backwards. Natural born citizens are citizens and naturalized citizens are citizens. Natural born citizens are inherent citizens due to their circumstance by birth, whereas naturalized citizens are given a legal fiction to be considered as or accepted as if they are actual natural born citizens for some limited purposes despite not actually being natural born citizens at birth or after birth.
It doesn't matter how short Rahm Emanuel is. The gang is In Town, taller, prouder even than Trump Tower Chicago, and they've all been there longer than that residential skyscraper with Trump's name on it...
The fix is maybe just maybe --in Town, too.
Frankly, you don’t know what you are talking about at all. If you think otherwise, then you just go right ahead and cite the law that grants natural born citizenship to a person, and I’ll show where you are wrong. Also note, you have to be 2000cc short of brain matter to think a child born abroad with a U.S. citizen mother can be a natural born citizen while a statutory law was enacted by Congress to grant U.S. citizenship to such a child provided the conditions were met, including the condition for the father to become a naturalized U.S. citizen. Hint, if it were possible for such a child to be a natural born citizen the Section 320 provision would have been entirely redundant, unnecessary, and superfluous. You guys cannot even think straight and make any logical sense whatsoever with your own self contradictions.
A Natural Born Citizen is an unique class of citizen. It is a person born in the U.S. of two U.S. citizen parents. If I were a citizen of the U.S. and my wife was a Kenyan citizen, and our child was born in Kenya while we were vacationing in Kenya, our child would not be a Natural Born Citizen. Our child would still be a U.S. citizen.
“well dewhurst needs to sue Cruz sicne he’s illegally occupying a senate seat”
That all depends. Did Ted Cruz quietly naturalize as a Canadian citizen acquiring naturalized U.S. citizenship and is keeping it a secret to avoid disqualification? Did Ted Cruz naturalize while under 18 years of age after his parents divorced, under the theory there was no longer an alien father? Did Ted Cruz never naturalize and remained an alien citizen, and then renounced his Canadian citizenship; in which case he retains his unlawful U.S. citizenship until he undergoes denaturalization proceedings, after which he would become a stateless person, so he would sue to prevent becoming a stateless person? In any case, Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen of the United States, whether or not he is a U.S. citizen qualified to be a Senator.
That’s correct, assuming the conditions for naturalizing the child were met.
I explained what 320 was about. Sorry you do not understand it, and cannot see that you are projecting upon that portion of code things which are not there.
I already explained what is not there.
Try to find what it is I was talking about and interact with that, rather than attempt to tell me that I do not understand, and then give me "any true scotsman" fallacy while talking about capacity of brain matter.
The codes do stipulate that Cruz was a citizen at birth, there being no mention of persons born in the circumstances that he was, being in some other way "naturalized".
We've been through this before, you and I.
And what came to light but that yourself (and others too who invented the line of argument you have been presenting) in order to make it work had to rely upon argument arising from reliance upon language within laws regarding citizenship AND immigration from decades (if not more than a full century) prior to those laws having been greatly altered.
You simply cannot continue to import language from codification of laws ---which have been subjected to change--- as if those laws still read the same way.
Or else -- we may as well go back all the way to the language in the original 1790 code.
The last time I mentioned that on another thread -- you ran away.
Can you say overturned so fast that it will make your head spin.
What a farce of a judicial system we have.
Guilty until proven innocent.
But of course the Trump supporters see nothing wrong with this in their New World Order where the Constitution is shredded and never mentioned again.
Texas O Texas get the hell away from these loons.
Because Obama is a n_____rian or Kenyan.
I guess Judge WX and you do not know that there are Senators in DC with dual citizenship papers as we sit here today.
I guess yawl needs to tell them to clean their offices out because they are there illegally. LOL
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