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Donald Trump just declared his intent to destroy American democracy
The Washington Post ^ | 2/26/2016 | Erik Wemple

Posted on 02/27/2016 1:57:52 PM PST by dschapin

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To: Republican Wildcat
Are you CRAZY ?

Trump borrowed $1 Million( as in took a LOAN ) from his father and then REPAID IT !

His father died AFTER Trump had already made BILLIONS !

His father's estate was worth about $250 MILLION, at the time of his death. His estate was DIVIDED amongst his wife and his living progeny. YOU DO THE MATH....your post is another stupid LIE !

61 posted on 02/27/2016 2:15:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: patlin

One question. Under your system who gets to determine what is a lie and what is truth?


62 posted on 02/27/2016 2:16:18 PM PST by dschapin
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To: Fai Mao

The answer to the problem is to have more ethics in journalism. How we get there is the problem.

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Isn’t that the truth. Ethics are not taught anywhere except maybe home schools - certainly doesn’t happen in “journalism school” (whatever that is). I can’t think of too many in the media who #1. can be considered ‘journalists’ or #2. have “ethics” ... Sharyl Attkisson & Catherine Herridge are the only ones that come to mind.


63 posted on 02/27/2016 2:16:34 PM PST by Qiviut (In Islam you have to die for Allah. The God I worship died for me. [Franklin Graham])
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To: Louis Foxwell
Don't necessarily disagree with the concept, but:

A) Don't we already have laws against libel?

B). How exactly would Trump be able to "open up" the libel laws? With his phone and his pen?

64 posted on 02/27/2016 2:16:36 PM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: patlin

You said...
“The lying media should be made to be held accountable! The 1st Amendment isn’t there to protect lies, it is there to protect ones right to speak the TRUTH!”

I’ve heard similar things from organizations like CAIR.


65 posted on 02/27/2016 2:17:03 PM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more" Anthem by Rush)
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To: cookcounty

I agree with Scalia on this——https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/04/antonin-scalia-hates-nyt-v-sullivan/


66 posted on 02/27/2016 2:17:13 PM PST by yadent
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To: dschapin

McCain tried to restrict the 1st Amendment too.


67 posted on 02/27/2016 2:18:01 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: nopardons

That’s not true at all - if something is published that is deliberately false they can in fact be sued by a public figure.

This is one of the scariest things ever uttered by a politician and yet you defend it just because it was said by Trump. You will literally defend anything this man says and just make things up to do it.


68 posted on 02/27/2016 2:18:09 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: dschapin
I believe there IS truth and it can be known

My wife LOVES Judge Judy and all the rest of them and I have sat in on a few hours in my lifetime
I can't, for the life of me, believe how some people come on national TV with no evidence or no proof or a story SO full of holes that a fourth grader could pull their coats to 'em ...

And it THAT'S the mentality Trump wants to target, I say ... Sic 'em, Donny

69 posted on 02/27/2016 2:18:14 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: dschapin

So, you’re saying that the “right” to deliberately lie about someone is fundamental to democracy. Libel is against the law. Libel does not have anything to do with political arguments, unless your political argument is a deliberate lie about another person.


70 posted on 02/27/2016 2:18:59 PM PST by euram
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To: dschapin

If you TRULY believed in the Constitution, then WHY are YOU supporting a candidate for president, who is INELIGIBLE fore that position?


71 posted on 02/27/2016 2:19:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: dschapin

I think we should start with holding the media accountable for calling Polish political asylum refugees “polish” and “illegals”.

And Rubio might want to answer the question as to why it’s fine for his parents to have come to America as ‘political refugees’ but Polish ‘political refugees’ are a group to be pointed to as ‘illegals’.

A STATE OF LIMBO RULES THE LIVES OF POLISH ALIENS

BY SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN

Published: February 21, 1982

“{until} Congress passed the Refugee Act of 1981...immigrants from Communist countries automatically received the status of refugees, allowing the influx of Poles and Soviet Jews “

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/02/21/nyregion/a-state-of-limbo-rules-the-lives-of-polish-aliens.html

and for the uneducated masses of journalists, there’s good bibliography here to bring them up to speed:
http://ushist315.just-jack.org/


72 posted on 02/27/2016 2:19:47 PM PST by blueplum
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To: dschapin
Breathless, just breathless.

-- Do Trump supporters really want the courts deciding which political arguments are ok and which ones are incorrect. --

News flash, they already do. The issue is the standard that limits reporting to something resembling truth. As it stands now, it is not defamatory to publish lies against public figures, short of deliberate malfeasance. Press outlets DO respond to cease and desist letters to avoid litigation of the issue, on a case by case basis. If the press decides that an ad crosses the line from vague critique (he's a liar) to outright falsehood (he said "such and so"), they will not run the ad.

73 posted on 02/27/2016 2:20:13 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: dschapin
destroy American democracy

Does the Washington Post know how to do that? I think they do.

74 posted on 02/27/2016 2:20:29 PM PST by Libloather (Embrace the suck)
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To: euram

When a news organization deliberately lies with the malicious intent to damage a public figure they can be sued under current law.


75 posted on 02/27/2016 2:21:10 PM PST by dschapin
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To: dschapin
Someone should tell Trumpf that the president does not get to make the laws.
76 posted on 02/27/2016 2:21:12 PM PST by texhenry (Cruz is the only conservative in the race)
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To: huldah1776

Your uneducated assumptions are patently ridiculous !


77 posted on 02/27/2016 2:21:20 PM PST by nopardons
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To: dschapin

You said...
“No I wouldn’t. If Cruz had proposed this then I would be announcing today that I no longer support him. I care about the Constitution and our freedoms far more than I care about supporting any man or politician.”

Agree 200%

Trumpers like what Trump is suggesting here because they hate the liberal media as much as we do. But people like myself and you love the Constitution more than we hate the media. The Trumpers don’t seem to think beyond a Trump presidency. They assume he will always love them and be in the WH forever

And Americans have already figured the media out.


78 posted on 02/27/2016 2:21:39 PM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more" Anthem by Rush)
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To: DoughtyOne

As I have said before I believe the only way to win this debate is to break up the cartel of Leftist ownership of the news media just like they broke up Ma Bell back in 1982.

Only six Leftist organizations, persons own the entire of our news dissemination in todays market. Mid twentieth century there were over fifty such “owners” of news dissemination, and more objective news was available.

We need a truly conservative congress, and a truly conservative President to achieve the restoration of our Constitution. Issues have to be this, and the dissolution of every one of the unconstitutional departments provided the Executive Branch, and their supporting bureaucracies.


79 posted on 02/27/2016 2:21:46 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

A fact-based piece that laid out both sides of the argument would be nice. “We report, you decide...”

Here’s a scenario.

A man is arrested on the accusation of rape.

The media splatters his picture everywhere. His name. His history. His address and family connections. Everything.

The victim is completely sheltered.

Turns out that she lied.

He’s still ruined. She’s still sheltered.

Does that man have a lawsuit?

This happens every freaking day.

Who is responsible for destroying the man’s reputation?

THE PRESS.

The woman makes her accusations, but it’s the choice of the press to make those accusations public.


80 posted on 02/27/2016 2:22:40 PM PST by Marie (TRUMP TRUTH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
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