Posted on 03/04/2016 9:25:06 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, a former Air Force pilot who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, said on Thursday that Donald Trump is openly advocating war crimes that would cause the soldiers who obeyed his orders to be jailed.
“If you’re a private in the field and your major or your colonel orders you to do something that is a war crime, you actually bear responsibility, you can’t say that the colonel made me do it,” said Kinzinger, who is supporting Marco Rubio. “What Donald Trump, as wanting to be president of the United States is advocating, is a war crime that would force every soldier that did, i.e. killed the relatives of terrorists, tortured regardless of whether it not it works, the things that he’s advocating would force all of these people in jail.”
Speaking on the Steve Cochran Show on Chicago radio, Kinzinger argued that Trump was either “all bluster” or comparable to Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini.
“Now, you have to do one of two things,” he said. “You either believe that Donald trump is all bluster which most people do but for some reason they like that, or you take him at his word in which case he is advocating, like what Benito Mussolini did, war crimes.”
Kinzinger also said that what Trump was calling for “makes me sick.”
“For the leading Republican presidential candidate to advocate war crimes, which he does openly, just advocates war crimes, doesn’t matter, makes me sick really,” he said. “Especially as somebody that’s defended the country. It’s just terrible.”
Later in the interview, Kinzinger said, “I can’t see myself supporting Donald Trump. I never say definitively because who knows in the future. But I have no intention of supporting Donald Trump.”
As for his preferred candidate, Rubio, Kinzinger said he felt “pretty good” about the Florida senator’s chances of winning his home state’s primary, but that “I’d definitely rather be in Trump’s position politically.”
First, aiding and abetting is not the only rationale he provided for going after families. He specifically mentioned the fact that terrorists care about their family members, and that's justification for targeting them. That quote has been posted numerous times in this thread.
And in terms of "aiding and abetting", family status is irrelevant anyway. Although how you define that may matter. Technically, you could say that any wife that cooks dinner for her husband, or any kind that helps her do so, is "aiding and abetting". And no, we don't deliberately target and shoot those people. If that was enough, then the wives and kids of our military would be "legitimate" targets, and they most clearly are not.
Are you talking about the Geneva Convention or about some mythical standard the US has had, has, will have, or hasn't yet modified to suit campaign slogans?
Are you talking about fighting a war, a "police action", our troops serving under the UN Charter as "peacekeepers" or our troops fighting under our flag against Stateless armed groups?
Are you talking about internal US fighting against terrorists or about war overseas?
Are you talking about the US acting alone or in concert with Allies ?
Are you talking about any armed opponent who has signed any agreement with the UN, or is a party to the Geneve Convention, or are you talking about those who choose to defy the very "laws of War" you allude to as if they apply universally?
Jews ? Grasping at straws right away. How about Muzzies and totally stupid DumkAzz people who play holier than thou as targets for now ?
so who is ordering these drone attacks and killing civilians right now?
The Congressional Resolution of 2001, Sep 19, says that ANY who aids, abets, comforts, participates with ANYONE connected in any way to the terrorists of 9/11 is a legitimate target.
So, the faux outraged can go to hell.
They are ‘Trumped’ by Congressional Action!
Not true:
The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation “accepts and applies the provisions” of the Conventions.[12]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions
Could not have said it any better
Grasping at straws is defending the statement Trump made.
Heck you could make a strawman out of all those straws you’ve pulled.
We're talking about wives, children, and other family members who are non-combatants. We're gonna shoot Granny in the head just because her terrorist grandson cares about her?
Not this Marine. Not ever.
So when they do drone strikes and kill civilians or kill doctors are they committing war crimes too , because that is what the UN and the left state when it happens.
Does this mean Bush, Obama and Clinton should be done with war crimes too?
I don’t envy you, I knew a guy who was in theatre who was a captain of the tankers truck convoys and they were hit with far more frequency than ground patrols or humvee convoys
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3404962/posts
Have you seen this? Trump Co Chair of Veterans for Trump arrested yesterday. TEA Party activist Jerry Delumus whose wife is elected rep Susan Delumus of New Hampshire was picked up in addition to 14 others who were at the Bundy Ranch Standoff in 2014.
My question is will Trump stand with Jerry Delumus or throw him under the bus? Nationwide rallies are being held March 5th to stand against this tyranny.
While I have endless admiration for ground pounders, I would think that the Eighth Air Force and Huey drivers like Bruce Crandall for example should be considered “combat vets” without question.
How about you shut up and defend the territorial integrity of the United States for a change!
He apparently has a vested interest in open borders. Since he is an IT consultant. He probably has a vested interest in attacking Trump several times a day because of Trump’s stand re foreign ITs via H-1Bs
DONALD J. TRUMP POSITION ON H-1Bs
“Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions.”
We have a friend who lived in Dresden during the fire bombings of WWII. It is debatable whether Dresden was a true military target. It is estimated that up to 600,000 civilians were killed which is much more than twice the maximum estimated casualties of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. It is no secret that the civilians were targeted. The bombing with the most casualties took place on February 13, 1945. Germany’s defeat was already a sure thing. Victory in Europe was celebrated on May 8, 1945 less than three months later.
I have no idea how much the bombing of Dresden sped up the progress of the war... probably not by very much. But I also have no doubt that it contributed to the complete demoralization of the already losing German fighting machine.
The actual quote from Trump has no context in this article. And one would think that the GOPe could at least have found a “ground pounder” instead of a “flyboy” to accuse Trump of advocating war crimes. Then the charge might have had a little bit better chance of sticking.
Baloney.
Crush them and napalm every context that gives them aid shelter protection and even a glimmer of hope.
The sooner the better. It ends the conflicts and the eternal whack a mole game we engage to keep the fight going on with no end in sight.
THAT is the real war crime.
LTC Allen West had a prisoner who knew details of enemy plans that would save the lives of many in West’s battalion. West held a gun to his head and gave him a choice: talk or die.
West was forced out of the Army over this, even though he was a hugely successful young officer and probably a future general.
Would you side with those who fired West or would you side with West?
I have always sided with West. At the time, America was outraged by the treatment of West.
Political Military-—probably didn’t do much while in the service but played the game to get a nice retirement check-—now he can instruct us dummies about our military rules-—backs Rubio who has the worst voting record in the US Senate—what a winner—B/S
Get Congress to change the law, and it is no longer an illegal order.
Adam Kintzinger is a true RINO—he should have been a Democrat.
So, Adam, is submitting to SERE training where they waterboard you, following an illegal order?
And by the way, name me one conflict since 1945 where the Geneva convention ever prevented our POWS from being tortured.
Isn't that "taking out the families?"
-PJ
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