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NY State nears political deal to saw the bottom rung off the economic ladder
americanthinker. ^ | March 18, 2016 | By Thomas Lifson

Posted on 03/19/2016 6:09:06 AM PDT by MarvinStinson

New York State appears ready to throw as many as 200,000 people out of work by imposing a $15 an hour minimum wage statewide.

The New York Post reports:

Republican Senate Majority Leader John Flanagan is close to a “Faustian pact’’ with Democratic Gov. Cuomo to raise the state’s minimum wage to a national high of $15 an hour — boosting union power and possibly costing New York hundreds of thousands of jobs.

A source close to Flanagan said the deal would involve Cuomo agreeing to do “little if anything’’ to help Senate Democrats, now just one vote shy of a majority, win the upcoming special election to replace former Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos (R-Nassau), who was ousted in December after being convicted on corruption charges.

Despite strong opposition from upstate business groups, the Farm Bureau, and not-for-profit organizations — as well as his own deputy Senate leader and state GOP Chairman Ed Cox — Flanagan has signaled he is ready “to cut a deal on the $15 minimum with Cuomo, likely for a longer phase-in time so that he can claim the Legislature will revisit the issue down the road,’’ said the source.

Consider that, if this report is true, Democrats are willing to sacrifice control of a legislative body in pursuit of this goal. It is a strategic goal, intended to win a longer battle. Progressives are rigidly determined to eliminate the possibility of people without educational credentials and social advantages to climb the ladder of economic success. Their chosen instrument is a high minimum wage that prevents employers from hiring people without the ability to generate value in excess of the wage.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
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1 posted on 03/19/2016 6:09:06 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; SunkenCiv; Albion Wilde

The experience of Seattle, where the minimum wage was raised to $15, shows without a doubt that it costs jobs:

…while the city of Seattle experienced a sharp drop in employment of more than 11,000 jobs between April [when the first min wage hike took place] and December last year (light blue line, BLS data available here), employment in Seattle’s neighboring suburbs outside the city limits (the Seattle MSA jobs less Seattle city jobs) increased over that period by nearly 57,000 jobs and reached a new record high in November 2015 before falling slightly in December.

Progressives want this outcome for two reasons:

- The unemployed are dependent on government handouts for their survival, and will vote for Democrats (the progressive party) to keep the benefits coming

- People with ambition to be more than lumpen are forced to pay vast monies (often borrowed) to the education industry, which is owned and operated by progressives. While acquiring the credentials that may (or may not) enable them to get jobs at minimum wage or higher, they wull also be propagandized into progressivism.

This strategy is entirely cynical, sacrificing the welfare of others in order to enrich and empower progressives.


2 posted on 03/19/2016 6:10:54 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: MarvinStinson

Just curious - does $15 buy the same amount of rent, groceries, or movie tickets in NYC as it does in Hudson Falls, NY ?


3 posted on 03/19/2016 6:13:14 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: MarvinStinson

How many state jobs pay under $15/hour?

How much will the state pay with 200,000 newly unemployed?


4 posted on 03/19/2016 6:13:54 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: MarvinStinson

Meddling marxists. Utopia is just around the corner.


5 posted on 03/19/2016 6:17:47 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: MarvinStinson

Legal Plunder Has Many Names

Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, MINIMUM WAGES, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole — with their common aim of legal plunder — constitute socialism.

CAPS - mine

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G020


6 posted on 03/19/2016 6:19:49 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: MarvinStinson

here comes more automation - bye bye jobs


7 posted on 03/19/2016 6:21:30 AM PDT by avital2
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To: MarvinStinson
Progressives are rigidly determined to eliminate the possibility of people without educational credentials and social advantages to climb the ladder of economic success. Their chosen instrument is a high minimum wage that prevents employers from hiring people without the ability to generate value in excess of the wage.

Keep in mind that the minimum wage serves another purpose, as well. It fuels the influx of illegal aliens, who are willing to work under the table for a pittance. Then, while claiming that deporting all of the illegals is unworkable, the progressives want to offer amnesty--thus creating a new pool of liberal voters, further shoring up progressive political power.

It's all about the endgame, in which "progressives" live luxurious lifestyles and everyone else has to struggle to survive. Somehow, that socialist/feudalist system is supposed to be utopia for everyone.

8 posted on 03/19/2016 6:26:43 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: MarvinStinson

Ah, time for the return of the automat. Horn & Hardart, anyone?


9 posted on 03/19/2016 6:31:48 AM PDT by glock rocks (TTTT !)
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To: MarvinStinson

wage inflation is absolutely required to pay for Obamacare and induce the general inflation to reduce the debt


10 posted on 03/19/2016 6:35:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: MarvinStinson

Progressives want this outcome for two reasons:


you give them too much credit, they do not think that far.

People do not understand systems, They see the one little issue and think A fixes B. But will not acknowledge the multitude of factors. And the point is doing something, not fixing something.

Systems approach is not taught anymore. The carbon cycle, the water cycle, etc.

We actually think a president can fix things. We think we can control the weather by controlling co2. We think carrots will solve all our health issues.


11 posted on 03/19/2016 6:44:32 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: MarvinStinson

Why are they so stupid to limit it to $15? Why not $100, so everyone will be rich?


12 posted on 03/19/2016 7:02:24 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: MarvinStinson

Let them! this way for 15 bucks an hour they won’t be hireing people who can’t speak English. It will also show thosecountry club honchos who rely on cheap labor and who”work with the Democrats to get things done” a thing or two.


13 posted on 03/19/2016 7:07:36 AM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: MarvinStinson
A source close to Flanagan said the deal would involve Cuomo agreeing to do “little if anything’’ to help Senate Democrats, now just one vote shy of a majority, win the upcoming special election to replace former Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos (R-Nassau),

And the definition of doing "little if anything" is??? (Wink)(Wink)

15 posted on 03/19/2016 7:21:00 AM PDT by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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Another deal where Republicans lose. Is this too part of the leaderships “conservative” agenda? Trump cannot be elected president soon enough.

This bill will actually create jobs. Yes, the welfare agencies will need new customer service, and social workers to help the 200,000 people who will lose their jobs.

The good thing is this will accelerate New York State’s electoral college downslide.


16 posted on 03/19/2016 7:33:56 AM PDT by inchworm
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To: MarvinStinson

The thing that always amazes me about liberals is that somewhere a stupid policy is implemented (like Seattle). The policy fails miserably. Then other liberals jump over each other to be the next one to implement the lousy policy. They are incredibly stupid.


17 posted on 03/19/2016 7:59:56 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: MarvinStinson

Not only has Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage, they also have city sponsored homeless camps; and I heard yesterday on the local news, the city is opening shoot up shelters to give safe spaces for street people to do illegal drugs. Of course Washington has already legalized pot.

So, apparently the goal is to produce masses of unemployed, homeless people who are in a drugged stupor.

What more could you ask for a Democrat voter?


18 posted on 03/19/2016 8:12:01 AM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: No Socialist

If you want to see some amazing stats take a look at the population trends in upstate NY cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Utica etc.

Folks have been deserting these cities in droves for the last forty years—and in fact houses are dirt cheap and expenses are low.

What is left of their economies will be crushed by a high minimum wage.


19 posted on 03/19/2016 8:26:45 AM PDT by cgbg (Epistemology is not a spectator sport.)
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To: seowulf
That spells it all out.

EXACTLY what Soros has been pushing for all these years.

seowulf wrote

Not only has Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage, they also have city sponsored homeless camps; and I heard yesterday on the local news, the city is opening shoot up shelters to give safe spaces for street people to do illegal drugs. Of course Washington has already legalized pot.

So, apparently the goal is to produce masses of unemployed, homeless people who are in a drugged stupor.

What more could you ask for a Democrat voter?

20 posted on 03/19/2016 9:11:35 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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