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U.S. Says It May Not Need Apple’s Help to Unlock iPhone
NYT ^ | 3-21-16 | Katie Benner

Posted on 03/21/2016 4:40:21 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — The Justice Department moved to cancel a Tuesday hearing over whether Apple should be forced to help investigators break into an iPhone used by a gunman in last year’s San Bernardino, Calif., mass shooting, saying it might no longer need Apple’s assistance to extract data from the device.

In a new court filing on Monday, Justice Department lawyers wrote that as of Sunday, an outside party had demonstrated a way for the F.B.I. to possibly unlock the phone used by Syed Rizwan Farook, one of the San Bernardino gunmen.

“Testing is required to determine whether it is a viable method that will not compromise data on Farook’s iPhone,” the Justice Department wrote in the filing. “If the method is viable, it should eliminate the need for the assistance from Apple.”

The Justice Department requested that the court cancel Tuesday’s hearing and said it would file a status report by April 5 on its progress on unlocking the iPhone.

The Justice Department’s move may help sidestep a clash that has erupted between the United States government and Apple over the iPhone and how and when authorities should use the troves of digital data collected and stored by tech companies. The two sides have traded barbs over the issue for weeks, ever since Apple received a court order last month requesting that the company comply with an order to weaken the security of the iPhone so law enforcement could gain access to the data in it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: appefbi; apple; appletreason; cybersecurity; farook; fuapple; iphone; password; sanbernardino; syedrizwanfarook; terrorists
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1 posted on 03/21/2016 4:40:21 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
So Apple helped the DOJ on the down low, and then this is Apple's plausible deniablity?
2 posted on 03/21/2016 4:43:28 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Fart Barf and Itch blinked. Lol


3 posted on 03/21/2016 4:44:16 PM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s stupid anyway. How do you force someone to write code that doesn’t exist?


4 posted on 03/21/2016 4:45:08 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

—John McAfee stated on Fox News about a month ago that it could be accessed in about twenty minutes and offered to do it-—


5 posted on 03/21/2016 4:45:09 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: chaosagent

No.
Public opinion was shifting further and further in favor of Apple the longer this went on.

So they admitted they could do the job without Apple.

This was never about gaining the capacity to learn what is on a phone when it is needed.

This was always about gaining the capacity to unobtrusively scan any phone at any time completely, on a whim.


6 posted on 03/21/2016 4:48:04 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

EXPECTED. Many of us had LONG SUSPECTED that this so-called ‘fight’ between Apple and the US Government was really just an smokescreen for allowing the Feds to have FULL ACCESS to I-Phones. The idea, of course, was to make it appear that Apple was fighting for their customers...but they simply ‘lost’.

LOL.


7 posted on 03/21/2016 4:48:35 PM PDT by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“outside party” = N.S.A.


8 posted on 03/21/2016 4:48:56 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It doesn’t. The blustering by the FBI is because the FBI isn’t afforded all the NSA resources and they have complained about that for decades. The FBI can ask the NSA very politely but they get tired of having to ask so they want weaker systems.


9 posted on 03/21/2016 4:50:13 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: BobL

“The idea, of course, was to make it appear that Apple was fighting for their customers...but they simply ‘lost’.”

Yup. I thought so too. Tim Cook is one of the biggest obama ass kissers and he’s supposed to “defend” Apple? LOL


10 posted on 03/21/2016 4:51:58 PM PDT by max americana (fired every liberal in our company at every election cycle..and laughed at their faces (true story))
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The significant factor is that if the FBI can get the data this way there is no justification for using the AWA.


11 posted on 03/21/2016 4:55:07 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: BobL

“The idea, of course, was to make it appear that Apple was fighting for their customers...but they simply ‘lost’.”

I don’t know about that ... I think the Feds wanted an “easy” way to do this overall and used this case as leverage. They failed.

I think what they have now is a “difficult” way to hack the phone (probably something involving the hardware itself). They’ll still get what they want, but they won’t have that “easy” backdoor way that they desire.

Anything can be hacked. Literally anything. It’s merely a function of time-to-unlock and bypassing the iPhone’s data-self-destruct sequence :-). Unless you have that hardware in hand, you aren’t going to defeat any security on any of the big two’s smartphones “easily” w/o a backdoor. I hate Apple, but it’d be a tragedy if their shares lost value when this really isn’t a weakness on their end (assuming my assumptions are correct).


12 posted on 03/21/2016 4:55:13 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: MrEdd

I never supported apple but I support nsa searches requiring a search warrant. This, too, was a clear search warrant case to me. Beyond that, it was a national security issue. As such covert means to break a code used by an enemy would have been nothing out of the ordinary for the covert services.


13 posted on 03/21/2016 4:57:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
U.S. Says It May Not Need Apple’s Help to Unlock iPhone

I think the idea that Apple's Iphone security can be defeated by a third party is a bigger blow to Apple than would have been their cooperation with the FBI.

If my phone system was so easily breakable, I would rather have kept that information on the down low.

14 posted on 03/21/2016 4:59:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: chaosagent

No, this was all just a ploy. The us gov has had the keys to i phones for a long time. It gives apple market share for some other deal it cut with the feds. People are jumping to buy apple as they are “resisting” (not), which as a company has started to lag quite a bit since the lose of S. Jobs.


15 posted on 03/21/2016 4:59:29 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
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To: Hugin
It’s stupid anyway. How do you force someone to write code that doesn’t exist?

You mean that thing they do every single day? I dunno, just tell them to "do it".

16 posted on 03/21/2016 5:00:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BobL
EXPECTED. Many of us had LONG SUSPECTED that this so-called ‘fight’ between Apple and the US Government was really just an smokescreen for allowing the Feds to have FULL ACCESS to I-Phones.

That is because Apple has made every possible effort to convince everyone that this was what was happening. People smart enough to read the FBI filing with the Court know that Apple was just doing a chicken little "The SKY IS FALLING!!!!" dance. Nothing in the FBI filing said what Apple was claiming.

Apple should receive the Joseph Goebbels award for excellence in propaganda this year.

17 posted on 03/21/2016 5:03:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: edh

“I don’t know about that ... I think the Feds wanted an “easy” way to do this overall and used this case as leverage. They failed.”

Yes, and I suspect that the FBI had a heads up that the court was going to find in Apple’s favor, so they folded rather than take the hit publically.


18 posted on 03/21/2016 5:04:10 PM PDT by vette6387 (Obama can go to hell!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Having worked at the ‘Puzzle Palace’ in a previous lifetime, I never believed they didn’t have a solution. If you people only knew ...


19 posted on 03/21/2016 5:05:51 PM PDT by 11th_VA (It's all gonna change once Trump's president)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“You mean that thing they do every single day? I dunno, just tell them to “do it”. “

Well, if that’s the case, we need more Apple’s to stand up and say “no, we won’t do it,” because it’s against the law and the Constitution!


20 posted on 03/21/2016 5:05:52 PM PDT by vette6387 (Obama can go to hell!)
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