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To: vette6387
The truth of the matter is that the management of the “big three” automakers over the past half century have capitulated to the UAW and continued to give the workers pay and benefits that were not sustainable over the long haul. -- nonsense - unfair free trade caused the collapse not salaries or pensions - proof is in Germany which should have collapsed with its high wages and pensions.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2011/12/21/germany-builds-twice-as-many-cars-as-the-u-s-while-paying-its-auto-workers-twice-as-much/#49c87b5d289f

How Germany Builds Twice As Many Cars As The U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice As Much In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour.

45 posted on 03/29/2016 10:20:55 PM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator
Re: “In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million.”

Something is wrong with that USA number. Perhaps it is just for USA owned companies?

We produced 17.4 million cars in 2015. General Motors alone produced more than 3 million in 2015.

Re: “The average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour.”

Comparing apples to oranges. Before the Great Recession in 2008-2009, America's Big Two were paying more than $70 an hour. Foreign auto companies - including German companies - in South Carolina and Alabama are (or were) non-unionized and pay in the $30 range.

It's also important to understand the geography. Germany, before re-unification, was only slightly larger than Texas. It is almost dead center in one of the most affluent regions in the world, a region that could easily fit inside half of America.

Finally, Germany produces internationally cherished luxury and performance brands like Porsche and Mercedes. America really can't compete in that market, except for Corvette, and maybe Cadillac.

50 posted on 03/30/2016 1:51:47 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Trumpinator

“How Germany Builds Twice As Many Cars As The U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice As Much In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour.”

Because in reality, the Germans build crap for cars:

Yeah, I tried it with a BMW Convertible for my wife. Wonderful car to drive, but the $hits to maintain. When the plastic radiator blew up on a hot day, the tow truck operator told us, “alll the German cars do it.” When I took it to an indy shop to have it repaired, they told us that a “precautionary radiator change:” at 50,000 miles on all BMW’s should be mandatory and you should put in an aftermarket part to eliminate the problem. Hew said we were lucky that the resulting overheat didn’t crack the cylinder head because that would have added $4,000. to the $1,000 repair bill for the radiatior, hoses, new water pumt and the replacement of the plastic water outlet with an aluminum one. Oh, now the convertable top interferes with the stowage compartment lid and we are told that the “strapping” in the top is stretched because we didn’t put it down enough and the repair is a $6,000. new top. So screw the Germans and their “wonderful cars, my cheapt-assed Corvette which I bought at the same time as the BMW and which has about the same milage hasn’t had a thing go wrong with it!


62 posted on 03/30/2016 8:40:09 AM PDT by vette6387 (Obama can go to hell!)
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