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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

I pray that Trump has a conversion on life issues. I know he claims to be against abortion but he makes exceptions for cases of rape which I really find reprehensible. That being said, I do not believe in Cruz’s alleged pro-life credentials either nor do I feel he’s at all an honest man. To me, there’s no truly ideal candidate and therefore Trump is the best we’ve got, so he will be getting my vote in PA this Tuesday.


3 posted on 04/24/2016 7:13:19 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I pray Trump has a conversion also. Cruz is prolife and no one even questions that. Why does anyone even worry about Cruz at this point, he can’t possibly win.


6 posted on 04/24/2016 7:17:23 PM PDT by mrpotatohead
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To: surroundedbyblue
he makes exceptions for cases of rape which I really find reprehensible.

Many moral and charitable individuals find this position morally reprehensible. Who the hell are you and your kind to condemn a woman to a life of penury because some male violated her, destroyed her life and probably that of her husband and family as well. When did God leave a will naming you as judge of others? The position is the height of arrogance and convinces many that social conservatives are nothing but immoral bigots themselves.

23 posted on 04/24/2016 7:31:27 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: surroundedbyblue
I know he claims to be against abortion but he makes exceptions for cases of rape which I really find reprehensible.

I, too, do not think that a baby should die just because he or she was conceived by rape. But, realistically, many people who are not otherwise for abortion are okay with aborting babies conceived by rape.

However, I do not think that this is the right battle for this time. A large number of women use abortion as their only form of birth control. There are hundreds of thousands of lives to be saved right there, by educating women and teaching them not to have unprotected sex.

Start with the winnable battle--turning our culture against the use of abortion as routine birth control--and when that battle is won, then start on the other issues, such as instilling the idea that it is not okay to kill a baby conceived by rape, or a baby who is less than perfect.

Insisting on an all-or-nothing with respect to abortion means that we get nothing, and the baby killing goes on unabated.

In any case, the president does not have much control over abortion. The president does not write law; he only has the choice to sign or veto the bills sent by Congress.

37 posted on 04/24/2016 7:42:02 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Reagan also made exceptions.

The fact is a president, any president cannot stop Roe v. Wade. He can fight it and minimize abortion-on-demand but he cannot stomp it out completely.

Only a Constitutional Amendment can do that and Congress will not be doing that anytime soon.

However, there is hope.


38 posted on 04/24/2016 7:42:02 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Does your concept of absolutism apply to the Yazidi Christian women, the Baka Haram’s captive girls, or other women held as sex slaves and gang-raped daily by their captors? Reprehensible, indeed.


51 posted on 04/24/2016 8:07:39 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: surroundedbyblue
You find it "reprehensible" that Donald Trump does not believe that you should basically sacrifice the happiness of an innocent girl who has been raped, by forcing her to carry the rapist's child? Well, your fanatical approach is what destroyed two otherwise Conservative Senatorial candidates in the previous Federal election cycle. It is also the sort of myopia that turns off millions of people, and makes it more difficult for those of us who want to get the Federal Courts out of the abortion promotion business, to actually succeed.

Now I am not usually arguing for pragmatism over principle. Generally there is no real dichotomy there; nor is there one here, if you simply look at the interests of a completely innocent mother, as well as that of the unborn baby. (And, of course it would be very wrong to postpone the decision, even after a rape--so please do not attribute such to Donald Trump, as that is clearly not something he is proposing.)

87 posted on 04/25/2016 6:58:52 AM PDT by Ohioan
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