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To: cassiusking

Russia is not going to invade Europe, is not flooding Europe with refugees and is not supporting ISIS.

If we were smart we would find ways to work with Russia. We have more in common than what separates us.


3 posted on 07/18/2016 12:38:34 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Russia is not going to invade Europe, is not flooding Europe with refugees and is not supporting ISIS.

If we were smart we would find ways to work with Russia. We have more in common than what separates us.


Exactly.

Enough with foreign entanglements. Build the wall, both on the border and in our visa system.


7 posted on 07/18/2016 12:41:25 PM PDT by samtheman (Trump For America.)
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To: 2banana

Hillar yand the NWO want war with Russia because of the fact that Russia wants to dedollarize the world and it is beginning the work. The bankers are behind this..the world bankers and the federal reserve are the ones behind thhe banging of the war drums with Russia.

The fed is scared they wont be able to export inflation and corrution around the world anymore


8 posted on 07/18/2016 12:42:06 PM PDT by ground_fog
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To: 2banana

Well stated!


10 posted on 07/18/2016 12:42:57 PM PDT by Lent
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To: 2banana; cassiusking

“Russia is not going to invade Europe, is not flooding Europe with refugees and is not supporting ISIS.

If we were smart we would find ways to work with Russia. We have more in common than what separates us.”


This.

I’m as anti-Communist as they come - my grandfather ran from Russian Communism in his early 20s in 1923, and left his entire family behind. His father worked a lifetime, and the Communists took everything except the house that he and his family lived. They stole 15 houses that he and his sons literally built with their own hands, plus dozens of horses and carts. It tore up my grandfather that he had to leave his family and never see them again (well, once, in 1969 he went back and saw some surviving siblings for a couple weeks - big deal!), just to have freedom for himself and his family. It also tore him up to know how awful were the lives of his family - his father died at age 74, shortly after being beaten badly by the NKVD, a very bitter man because all that he worked for was for nothing.

But the Soviets are NOT the Russians. I believe Putin to be a nationalist, not an ideologue. I believe he admires the period of Communist rule ONLY because the nation was strong and respected, not because he believed in its (rather crappy and absurd) ideas - because they just didn’t and can’t work, and as a practical man he knows this. I don’t think that he wants anything but a secure Russia - physically, economically, etc. That involves having the same control over Ukraine that Russia/the Soviet Union had for over 200 years, and not allowing distant and powerful foreign nations to have enormous influence and military bases so close to the Russian heartland. I don’t like the SOB for a good deal of what he’s done, but I respect him as a leader and believe that I understand his principal motivation. I believe that Trump feels about the same way.

FYI, the US and Russia are probably natural allies, and it is IMHO only the cancer of Communism that kept us not merely separated, but nearly at each others’ throats for much of the 20th Century. We are both large nations with substantial resources, very diverse but Western-oriented populations, advanced science/military programs and some common enemies/adversaries (China and Islam, to name the 2 biggies). We SHOULD be cooperating against common enemies, not trying to undermine each other. We are half a world apart. We no longer desperately need the Saudi/Persian Gulf oil fields to survive, and we can also help Russia grow food and drill its own massive energy reserves more efficiently. Eliminate those tensions and the ideological one (which is already gone), and suddenly we can be if not friends, than at least not enemies.

Trump is the only guy willing to give this a shot, but to do so with our backs to the wall and our military gearing up for whatever challenges we may face. Putin will respect him (I’m certain that he has nothing but contempt for Obama), and respect is the beginning of any decent relationship.


34 posted on 07/18/2016 1:11:50 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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