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Analysis: Is it lawful self-defense to “run down” rioters surrounding your vehicle?
Legalinsurrection.com ^
| 9-22-2016
| Andrew Branca
Posted on 09/22/2016 1:04:37 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969
In Kentucky it is. All you have to say is, “That video of Reginald Denny kept going through my mind.”
In Kentucky, if you fear for loss of life or great bodily harm, it is legal to use lethal force.
We just had a case where a guy was the aggressor in a road rage case, but he was only verbal. The other guy then came at him with a baseball bat, at which point he shot the guy with the bat dead. He was found not guilty. He feared for his life of great bodily harm (one whack with a bat can kill you), justifying his use of deadly force. Who started it is not germane. It’s who escalated it that matters.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:17:39 PM PDT
by
Mr. Douglas
(Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
To: servo1969
They surrounded my car and were screaming at me and beating on my car. I was afraid for my life. I would like to speak to my lawyer, please.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:17:49 PM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
To: servo1969
The problem is that once they come at you, it may be too late. They could be milling around, no threat at all...then 3 seconds later your window is crashed and your skull next.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:18:06 PM PDT
by
Malsua
To: servo1969
Reginald Denny would have been better off had he kept on truck’n.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:18:53 PM PDT
by
Leep
(Just say no to half dead hillary and wrong lane kaine!)
To: servo1969
A reasonably slow steady drive forward is good. They cannot resist it, and will quickly fall away. It would also demonstrate that you did not have the goal of causing harm to them...only to escape.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:19:32 PM PDT
by
DesertRhino
(Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
To: servo1969
Coming to a dead stop in the middle of an ambush is a really bad idea. It’s the worst possible thing you can do in fact. US military doctrine is pretty consistent on this.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:20:55 PM PDT
by
RC one
(The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
To: Political Junkie Too
Exactly. In between running them down and stopping is simply proceeding, at a greatly reduced speed. Something like 10mph is more than enough to quickly put them behind you, but slow enough that serious injury is unlikely to occur to them, and they certainly have time to get out of the way at that speed.
The problem I see is it only takes one libtard at the front of the line to lock up the whole street. Then you really are a sitting duck, and likely don't even have a route to escape by car if you want to.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:21:38 PM PDT
by
Jack Black
(Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
To: servo1969
Analysis: Is it lawful self-defense to run down rioters surrounding your vehicle? I am afraid we will have a test case before too long the way things are going......just remember, they started it.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:21:43 PM PDT
by
Envisioning
(Before we get started, does anyone want to get out?)
To: butlerweave
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:22:17 PM PDT
by
Rebelbase
(Bill and Hillary for ADX Supermax!)
To: servo1969
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:22:54 PM PDT
by
Bubba Gump Shrimp
(A Liberal is someone who cannot accept that there is a Law of Unintended Consequences)
To: servo1969; All
It’s crucial information posts like this that makes FR So essential!
Grateful FR (lurker devotee since 1998)
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:23:17 PM PDT
by
MarchonDC09122009
(When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
To: csvset
“If surrounded by a pack of looting thugs, Ill put the pedal to the metal and let the chips fall where they may.”
You read my mind. And if that isn’t enough, I’d call on Mr. SigSauer to help out.
To: butlerweave
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:24:59 PM PDT
by
cynwoody
To: Rebelbase
Remember reading about that car side flame thrower enterprising S. Africaner marketed during SA’s turbulent late 90’s
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:25:12 PM PDT
by
MarchonDC09122009
(When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
To: servo1969
Had a pal who wholly messed up a dude at Fair Park. I mean bad. Ran off but called DP. SAID you find him. He was not gonna stick around. I would have done the same. Krav maga.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:25:27 PM PDT
by
waterhill
(I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
To: Ueriah
Is having a tail gunner a problem?
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:25:39 PM PDT
by
Paladin2
(auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
To: servo1969
This is a pretty good analysis by Legal Insurrection of the legalities involved, thanks for posting it.
To: servo1969
The things you should say to the police: I want a lawyer. I feared for my life.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:27:09 PM PDT
by
hal ogen
(First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
To: servo1969
would of been nice to see Counselor Branca include specifics regarding NC Castle doctrine in the article.
“Unfortunately, persons merely blockading a highway do not inherently represent an imminent deadly force threatsimply blocking a roadway cannot normally cause death or grave bodily harm”
until the 18 wheeler plows into your back end.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:28:55 PM PDT
by
mainevet
(Get an M1911 or two or three or four... no eight!)
To: DesertRhino
A reasonably slow steady drive forward ...
I think yours is the winning sensible entry.
Charging forward at high speed is akin to shooting blindly into a crowd when only some of them are attacking you. It will get you in trouble.
Of course the final call is yours, you do what's necessary to survive. It's impossible to make rules that will work for every possible case.
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posted on
09/22/2016 1:29:37 PM PDT
by
BitWielder1
(I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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