ampaign yet again distracts from Podesta revelations with misinformation about RT

RT.com ^ | 21 Oct, 2016 | Staff

[Trump_vs_Evil_Witch]

As WikiLeaks continues to release emails from Hillary Clinton’s campaign chair John Podesta, team Clinton has attempted to deflect attention from the content, by again accusing Russia of “weaponizing” false information.

After 14 separate batches leaks from Podesta’s email account, RT journalists simply doing their job and searching the WikiLeaks public database to uncover potentially damaging correspondence is enough for the Clinton campaign to continue claiming it is evidence of an alleged Russian conspiracy to interfere in the US elections

[ETL]

It's becoming more and more clear to me that the Russians are deliberately throwing out these notions/threats of war in order to get HILLARY elected, not Trump, as voters do not typically like to change course during times of ongoing military crises. Makes all the sense in the world that this is what they're doing as it was the Soros-supported Obama administration that has been strengthening the Russians.

The O admin, not only handed Putin everything that he wanted on all-important missile defense and nukes, including the Iran nuke deal, which Putin loves and claims to have played a major role in, he (Obama) practically took apart our military. So don't fall for the smoke and mirrors BS coming from the Russians, or this administration. The facts speak for themselves...

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From the campaign trail, 2008...

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090412030633/http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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From Investor's Business Daily, Jan 2012:

Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow

Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff

Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.

It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.

He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 - linchpin of our missile defense - might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.

Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.

The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology. ..."

"In his signing statement, Obama said he would treat these legal restrictions as 'non-binding' and that 'my administration will also interpret and implement section 1244 (sic) in a manner that does not interfere with the president's constitutional authority to conduct foreign affairs and avoids the undue disclosure of sensitive diplomatic communications.'

Betraying our secrets is easy for a president who betrayed allies Poland and the Czech Republic to placate Moscow.

Poland was to host ground-based interceptors such as those we've deployed in California and Alaska, with missile-tracking radar deployed in the Czech Republic.

Obama pulled the plug when Moscow objected. Never mind, he said, we have a better approach: a four-phase plan that calls for using three versions of the Navy's Standard SM-3 interceptor missile that forms the backbone of its Aegis missile-defense system.

The fourth phase consists of a missile still on the drawing board scheduled for deployment by 2020, a version of the SM-3 called the Block IIB. It would intercept hostile missiles in the "early intercept" phase before an enemy missile could release its warheads and decoys. The Russians want the SM-3's secrets, and Obama appears to be willing to turn them over.

The president wants to save the New Start Treaty, which the Russians have threatened to abandon if we try to fully implement President Reagan's dream of defeating a nuclear missile attack.

Russia has unilaterally asserted that any qualitative or quantitative improvement in U.S. missile defenses would be grounds for withdrawal from the treaty.

Read More At Investor's Business Daily:
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/010912-597158-obama-gives-russia-missile-defense-secrets.htm#ixzz3jXmMbVwY
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March 2012...

"Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:

Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it's important for him to give me space."

Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ..."

Obama: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

"This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility." That statement tells us much about the president's mindset.

The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration.

Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president's comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.

In addition, there is the phrase "on all these issues," implying more is at stake than just missile defense."

Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn't be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/
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[mac_truck]

What are you going to do when Trump wins the election and begins the process of detente with Russia?

Are you still going to spam every thread with anti-Russian propaganda like you have for the last ten years?

[ETL]

"Interestingly, [Mikhail] Lesin [founder of RT, Russia Today] may become one of the first senior Putin regime officials to face consequences for his involvement in human rights abuses. Earlier this year, civil society groups reportedly proposed Lesin's name for inclusion in the US blacklist under the Magnitsky Act, which provides for visa bans and asset freezes for Russian officials involved in human rights violations.

The next update of the US list may come in December. Meanwhile, sources in the European Parliament indicate that Lesin may be placed on a European Union visa blacklist. This would come as bad news to Putin's media enforcer: according to the newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, Lesin owns a 2 million, euro estate in Finland's Turku Archipelago, purchased through a company registered in the British Virgin Islands. This would indeed be a timely and appropriate message, that helping a dictatorship to muzzle the free media and enjoying the comfort of the Western world are no longer compatible.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/vladimir-kara-murza/ominous-return-putins-media-enforcer

[ETL]

What are you going to do when Trump wins the election and begins the process of detente with Russia? Are you still going to spam every thread with anti-Russian propaganda like you have for the last ten years?

With Trump's selection of Mike Pence as his VP, I'm fairly well convinced that he is not quite as naive on Putin and Russia as I first thought. Pence continues after the VP debate bashing that KGB thug/assassin/supporter of America's enemies, that you and a few other twisted pro-Russia creeps here view as a hero. I can't for the life of me understand why you SOBs are allowed to remain on here pushing your pro-Russia crap for all of these years. It's weird sh*t.

[cgbg]

Speaking for myself, I am neither pro_Russia nor anti-Russia.

My ancestors escaped the Czar or I wouldn’t be here, fwiw.

But the MSM Russia-baiting is a new phenomenon (at least to the extent we have seen it in the last few months).

Claims of Russian hacking, in particular, have to be seen as pure fabrication without strong evidence—and evidence in hacking cases does not easily fall into the lap of investigators.

In addition, the MSM’s hysterical claims that any claims by Trump that he wants to negotiate with Putin and avoid nuclear conflict is tantamount to treason—that is insane propaganda.

It is getting very difficult to untangle any facts when our Intelligence services (Project Mockingbird and its secret successors) have infiltrated the MSM so the American people are fed administration talking points which line up with the real world about as often as a broken clock gets the correct time.

[ETL]

Speaking for myself, I am neither pro-Russia nor anti-Russia.

How could you not be anti-Russia given all the evil things that they have done and still continue to do to this day, such as invading their neighbors in Eastern Europe and their ongoing support and military alliances with numerous hostile anti-American regimes, including Iran, North Korea, Red China, and various Marxist dictatorships throughout Latin America? That plus the totalitarian nature of the KGB Putin regime, where critics hesitate to speak out in fear of being sent to prison or, worse, murdered.

How Russia arms America's southern neighbors

Ioan Grillo
May 9, 2014

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- Russia's push into Ukraine has put many on edge. But less known is that Russia is also strengthening its military links south of the Rio Grande and re-establishing itself as a power in the region.

Vladimir Putin has been strengthening military links here, and Russia is now the largest arms dealer to governments in Latin America, surpassing the United States.

Russia has even floated the possibility of building new military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, and putting its warships permanently in the Caribbean.

In the midst of the Ukraine crisis, Russia's top diplomat Sergei Lavrov recently visited Cuba, Peru, Chile, and Nicaragua, where he announced that Russia would also pour money into the new Central American canal project. ..."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/140508/russian-arms-military-trade-latin-america
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Russia Boosts Arms, Training for Leftist Latin Militaries

Moscow defense minister inks deals with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua for joint exercises

BY: Bill Gertz
February 20, 2015

Russia agreed to provide military training for three leftist regimes in Latin America and increase military visits and exercises following a visit last week to the region by Moscow's Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu, Pentagon officials said.

Shoygu met with defense and military leaders in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua and signed several agreements on warship visits and military training during the visit, which ran from Feb. 11 to 14. It is not clear whether any new arms deals were completed during the visit.

Defense officials said the Russian leader is seeking bases in the region for strategic bomber flights that Shoygu recently promised would include flights over the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-boosts-arms-training-for-leftist-latin-militaries/

[mac_truck]

C’mon buddy, tell the truth...its pretty obvious that old war hawk Hillary is really the one who gives your leg a tingle.

Your views and hers line up nicely when it comes to the ‘threat’ from Russia, which seems to be your number one preoccupation, so why should we believe that you’re not supporting her?

[bk1000]

Don’t let them kill the messenger. How the information was acquired is irrelevant, given the ‘seriousness of the charge.’ The content is the issue, and we need to keep pounding that in to their little pinheads.

[generally]

And ye shall know the truth. And the truth shall make you free.

[generally]

She has basically admitted that she is a chronic liar. She had to because everyone including her supporters knows it.

Saying that she has a “public position” and a “private position” is a weaselly way to say she is lying, but to try to make it easier for her supporters to swallow. Saying it this way is a whitewash that admits it, but doesn’t use the word “lie” or “lying”. It’s a way for her to try to explain it away and excuse it in a manner that she hopes her gullible supporters will fall for.

[patriotspride]

That look by the guy across from Obama in the hamburger eating photo says it all

” We got this fool”

[generally]

I seriously doubt the Russians are behind the WikiLeaks information.

But ask yourself this: *IF* the Russians were behind it, what does that change? Truth is truth. The Clinton campaign can try to blame the leaks on the Russians, but who can they blame for the truths coming out that they wanted to keep hidden? They have no one to blame but themselves. Truth hurts when you’re a lying, corrupt criminal.

Another thing I find VERY interesting is that they picked the Russians to blame it on. I am surprised they didn’t blame it on Trump or conservatives. I actually suspect they know the truth about where it came from and the truth about that would only increase the damage being done to them. I suspect an inside job from a leaker inside the Clinton campaign. My second choice would be an inside the government job from someone in the NSA, CIA, or FBI who was able to see the corruption, but had insufficient political power and was unable to do anything to stop it (except for leaking).

[ETL]

Exactly. What they say about “a picture saying a thousand words” is apparently right on-the-mark here.

Only Obama wasn’t/isn’t so much a ‘fool’, but rather a willing accomplice. Still, they played the traitor like a fool, taking full advantage of him, regardless of the fact that he was on-board with their “new international order” agenda.

[generally]

I just posted that I had doubts that the Russians were leaking the emails. After reading your posts, my doubts are even greater.

Reasons that it might not be the Russians:
1. The Clinton campaign is accusing them. They always lie.
2. The Clintons are in bed with the Russians. (and anyone else who pays them)
3. I don’t see that the Russians would necessarily prefer Trump. So why help him?
4. The Clintons have had 30 years to make countless enemies. It could be any of them.
5. There are plenty of hackers in the world whose goals are to make a big splash and feel important and the fallout from the notoriety is irrelevant to them. They are like cyber-arsonists. They love to watch the fire. They don’t care about the damage it causes.
6. The Clintons goal is to deflect suspicion from the deals they have made with the Russians and the cozy and corrupt financial relationship they have with them. By accusing them, people are less likely to suspect the Russians are funding them.

Reasons that it might be the Russians.
1. Despite point 2 above, neither the Clintons nor the Russians would have any problem with backstabbing a “friend”.
2. I’m pretty sure that Putin would be happy to do anything that disrupts the US and creates chaos.

[Liz]

Nice deconstruction.

[ETL]

Reasons that it might not be the Russians: 1. The Clinton campaign is accusing them. They always lie.

In case you were born yesterday, so do the Russians, particularly anyone associated with the KGB, or their modern equivalent, the FSB.

We are really stuck between a rock and a hard place with all that's going on in the world today, thanks largely to those slimy left-wing weasels in the Obama admin.

[Trump_vs_Evil_Witch]

So what? RT & the Russian government is not currently trying to subvert the United States.....OBAMA & Hillary have committed huge statist atrocities themselves.....

[Trump_vs_Evil_Witch]

The Bilderberg globalist elites that are constructing GHWB’s New World Order continue to marginalize Putin in preparation for nuclear war & those that point to their maniacal insanity are traitors to the United States....

BS.....the military industrial complex is propagating disinformation.

[ETL]

So what? RT & the Russian government is not currently trying to subvert the United States...

Are you joking?

They probably funded both Obama's campaigns. After all, he did hand them everything they wanted on a silver platter after he got elected, in terms of missile defense and nukes, including the Obama-Putin Iran nuke deal, as he simultaneously went about decimating our military. Putin's aim, as you apparently haven't been able to figure out yet, is to restore the evil empire and then-some with eventual control of the oil/gas-rich Middle East. That in addition to his attempted retaking of Eastern Europe. WE (the US) are obviously his primary obstacle. Trump's VP, Mike Pence, certainly gets all this. And I'm sure he'd school Trump a lot more on it once they're in.

[ETL]

The Bilderberg globalist elites that are constructing GHWB’s New World Order continue to marginalize Putin in preparation for nuclear war

Here's something else you apparently have no clue about in regards to a "New World Order".

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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" Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170287,00.html
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Sept 11, 2014

China and Russia to build major seaport: report

China and Russia will build one of the largest ports in north-east Asia on Russia's Sea of Japan coast, reports say, in a further sign of the powerhouses' growing alliance.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-11/china-and-russia-to-build-major-seaport-report/5738036
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Obama: "We Welcome China's Rise"
CBS News ^ | January 19, 2011 | Stephanie Condon
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