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To: caver

Sent back to States?


3 posted on 12/03/2016 6:17:44 PM PST by Hildy ("The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." Orwell)
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To: Hildy

No. I don’t think this is something Trump will be able to do in 4 or even 8 years. The US turned a corner long ago. The more major problem we saw was electing Obama for two terms is that a slim majority are comfortable being supported by the government. And they are comfortable letting the government abort their bad decisions.


12 posted on 12/03/2016 6:30:10 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Hildy; All

should be

we need the gov’t ‘rights’ pared back down to the original - very few -

States Rights need to be vigorously reinSTATED”...

Our Founding Fathers - none had ever lived in a free country. They had no idea how to start.

They relied heavily of the model of The Six Nations, which had been a successful Federation already for 600 yrs (still going strong and independent) - We took the Bald Eagle symbol from them, the eagle clutches a bundle of arrows - from the Six Nations Federation idea that separate tribes (states) were stronger together, in mutual support, than separate, which would be more vulnerable to outside attack.

Where we got it wrong was adding a central gov’t - that morphed into a overruling beast that could, unconstitutionally, interfere with states rights.

The Six Nations are STILL a sovereign Federation - within our borders.... they even travel on their own passports, not USA. Teeny don’t pay taxes to, for example, New York state. Their method of gov’t, separate rule individually, but with mutual protection against others, has worked for 800+ yrs.

WE are NOT a democracy. Democracies always fail - (and we are on that 200 year cusp)

We are a FEDERATION REPUBLIC - ‘for which it stands’ - and need to get back to the Constitution. Each state has enough intelligent citizens to make the rules they live under. NO ONE ever sent to DC is an Omnipotent being more capable of making laws for the states than the people within them.

Foggy Bottom needs to be pared back to their original LIMITED governing rights. (And if citizens within any given state doesn’t like certain laws of that state = they are free to move to one they feel better in.)


85 posted on 12/04/2016 6:26:18 AM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does)
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