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To: Olog-hai
The Dems snapped their fingers and voilà, Obamacare

Not true.

The worst parts of Obamacare did not take effect until after the 2014 elections (four and a half years after it passed), and some of it doesn't go into effect until 2018.

If Obamacare were repealed with immediate effect, 2/3 of the hospitals in America would close within 90 days.

It is not going to happen that way.

6 posted on 12/03/2016 7:34:13 PM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: Jim Noble
If Obamacare were repealed with immediate effect, 2/3 of the hospitals in America would close within 90 days.

Really? Maybe you'd care to explain/support this ridiculous claim?

12 posted on 12/03/2016 7:37:04 PM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Jim Noble

Did you mean 2/3 of the closed hospitals would reopen if Obamacare was suddenly repealed?

That’s closer to reality.


16 posted on 12/03/2016 7:42:11 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Jim Noble
The worst parts of Obamacare did not take effect until after the 2014 elections (four and a half years after it passed), and some of it doesn't go into effect until 2018.

True. I'm surprised at the number of people who, after all these years, don't understand what the ACA really is.

17 posted on 12/03/2016 7:43:01 PM PST by semimojo
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To: Jim Noble

What are you talking about? The ACA had immediate effect on healthcare, all of it bad. Plans were gone in a flash, and costs rose in the same manner.

And what is this thing about two-thirds of hospitals closing? Hospitals have been closing while others opened up, but it’s been a net loss of such facilities.


18 posted on 12/03/2016 7:43:04 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Jim Noble

The Dems snapped their fingers and voilà, Obamacare

Not true.

The worst parts of Obamacare did not take effect until after the 2014 elections (four and a half years after it passed), and some of it doesn’t go into effect until 2018.

If Obamacare were repealed with immediate effect, 2/3 of the hospitals in America would close within 90 days.

It is not going to happen that way. >>> i would like to know why hospitals would close in 90 days. do you have some inside knowledge>


37 posted on 12/03/2016 8:02:27 PM PST by kvanbrunt2 (all your base are belong to us)
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To: Jim Noble

Obamacare took a wrecking ball to each healthcare, hospital, and insurance systems. Pieces are missing - or misaligned - now.

2013 was the last chance for a relatively painless repeal.


69 posted on 12/03/2016 9:33:50 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Jim Noble

The new DUMBOCARE DEA PAIN MED laws are harming those who have incurable diseases that leave a patient in constant pain that usually makes them unable to leave the house except doctor visits, many spend their days in bed with ice/heat packs. All he did was add a Pain Management doc and a big $300 co-pay 12 times a year to their medical care.
And the embarrassment of peeing in a bottle under supervision like a street junkie at 70+ yrs old or younger. These patients know they will never be totally pain free, but there is a BIG difference in a Level 9 and a Level 4 where you can semi function.

DEA shortage of pain meds
http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/4/13166594/dea-opioid-epidemic-manufacturer-2017-substance-

New DEA rules place more restrictions on popular painkillers
http://www.roanoke.com/news/virginia/new-dea-rules-place-more-restrictions- on-popular-painkillers/

Pain Management
https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/1/5/the-cdc-and-profit-driven- drug-testing

Chronic health conditions
http://www.nationalhealthcouncil.org/sites/default/files/NHC_Files/Pdf_Files/AboutChronicDisease.pdf

Dr Peter Gøtzsche Exposes Big Pharma as Organized Crime
http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/dr-peter-gotzsche-exposes-big-pharma-as-organized-crime/

Doctors Earn $3.5 Billion in Kickbacks from Pharmaceutical Companies
http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/doctors-earn-3-5-billion-in-kickbacks-from-pharmaceutical-companies/


130 posted on 12/04/2016 4:56:20 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: Merry CHRISTmas, Happy Birthday JESUS CHRIST, suck it up buttercup you lost)
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