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To: Junk Silver
“...we acted not in our national interests, but out of democratist ideology.”

Bullshit. Obama and Clinton acted in the national interests of their Saudi and Qatari puppet masters who wanted to run a pipeline through Syria. That’s all this was about.

It's both. And, more. Much more.

The first question to ask is: Who benefits the most from a pipeline from Saudi Arabia / Qatar to Europe? Secondarily, who is hurt the most?

Also, keep in mind that there is a competing pipeline plan: It would transport gas from Iran to the west coast of Syria, and then (via tankers?) on to Europe. The same questions apply.

The answer to the first question is that it is the Euros who would benefit most from that Saudi / Qatar - to- Europe pipeline. Europe's need to buy gas is somewhat more urgent than the Gulf States need to sell it -- the Gulf States won 't literally freeze to death in the winter if they don't sell what is at present a largely undeveloped resource. The Euros have the additional problem that they do NOT want to stay in a position where Putin can dictate to them because he has a near monopoly on the gas Europe needs (especially in certain countries.) This is particularly a problem for the globalists -- though it gets right down to the average European rather quickly, too, should a major dispute arise.

If Russia has real competition for gas (and oil) sales to Europe, they, and Putin, are "screwed" big-time. That of course would delight the globalists to no end. Prior to Trump, Russian nationalism was perhaps the globalists' biggest obstruction.

If the pipeline from Iran is built, and the Saudi / Qatari pipeline is blocked, then Europe becomes even MORE dependent on Putin's good will, and Russia's position in the ME is strengthened. This is a BIG problem for the Euros and the globalists.

Secondarily, the strengthening of Iran is also a major problem for the Saudis and their ME allies, and also for Israel. The Euros' & globalists' concerns would come first to the Obama Administration -- the Saudis / Qataris input just happens to be supportive.

All of this is exacerbated by the Euro's failed rush to "green", as well as foolish ideologies in the West.

I suspect it is also considered that "draining" the Russians in Syria is worthwhile. It may be, but the human cost is atrocious.

Sadly, if one looks at the cost to the West and it's allies for pursuing failed policies in the ME, just for the last 8 years, that money could have been spent building a Western alternative following the design of the Russian / Iranian plan: Pipe the petro to the coast (in this case the coast of Israel, or even Egypt), and short-run tanker it to Southern Europe. In the case of gasoline, the additional cost per liter comes to literally a penny or so. If Russia & Iran want to build their pipeline too, let 'em. Saudi / Qatari production costs (at least at the wellhead) should be lower...

This is necessarily a very abbreviated analysis. (I've completely left out the Turks, for one thing!) :-)

28 posted on 12/17/2016 10:06:19 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: Paul R.

The answer to the first question is that it is the Euros who would benefit most from that Saudi / Qatar - to- Europe pipeline. Europe’s need to buy gas is somewhat more urgent than the Gulf States need to sell it — the “Gulf States won ‘t literally freeze to death in the winter if they don’t sell what is at present a largely undeveloped resource. The Euros have the additional problem that they do NOT want to stay in a position where Putin can dictate to them because he has a near monopoly on the gas Europe needs (especially in certain countries.) This is particularly a problem for the globalists — though it gets right down to the average European rather quickly, too, should a major dispute arise.”

You make a good case here, but this is only because the Euros have created this situation by their asinine refusal to develop their own energy resources. There is plentiful oil, gas, and coal in their region that remains untouched due to their complete capitulation to the global warming and anti-growth Green fanatics in their countries. Europeans have the same access to the newer fracking, horizontal drilling, and clean-coal techniques that we have, as well as access to nuclear power options. Yet they choose to remain slaves to the Russians in Asia and the Arabs in the Middle East for their necessary energy. It’s their own damn fault.


44 posted on 12/18/2016 5:08:08 AM PST by DrPretorius
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To: Paul R.

“This is necessarily a very abbreviated analysis. (I’ve completely left out the Turks, for one thing!) :-)”

Thank you for all of that. The opportunity to read posts like yours is the main reason I regularly donate to Free Republic.

Just imagine if any of this information could be gleaned from our mainstream media. They’re still going on about our noble intentions and Russia’s crimes against humanity.


47 posted on 12/18/2016 6:10:29 AM PST by Junk Silver (I have four words for Bill and Hillary Clinton to ponder: "Attorney General Jeff Sessions".)
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