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Andrew Park: Hospital, campus are no places for guns(MD authority)
kansascity.com ^ | 1/24/2017 | Andrew Park

Posted on 01/28/2017 9:59:20 AM PST by rktman

It seems unthinkable that in my daily workplace, with armed security and a state hospital police department, there could be other people carrying guns who have no training and who have undergone no background checks (something made legal in 2015 by Kansas law). Historical data and prior criminal events have helped shaped the need for this level of security in the medical center, including a physician and a visitor being shot in the emergency department in 1981.

Our police and security have months and often years of training in the safe handling of firearms and in dealing with people in these unpredictable situations. FBI data from active shooter incidents has shown that unarmed citizens were 20 times more likely to stop an active shooter situation than an individual with a gun.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; docsagainstglocks; dufus; idiotsavant
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Geez doc. Guess I missed the training requirements listed in the 2nd Amendment. Although I may agree that there are a LOT of people out there that maybe shouldn't have a firearm, there are also a LOT of people who should never be handed car keys. Or propane tanks. Or power drills. Or a book of mathches. Just remember folks, not every MD graduates at the top of the class.
1 posted on 01/28/2017 9:59:21 AM PST by rktman
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A hospital is the perfect place for a shoot out.


2 posted on 01/28/2017 10:08:17 AM PST by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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Kansas City Red Star, Kansas City, Missouri

Anti gun newspaper and web site

3 posted on 01/28/2017 10:08:59 AM PST by TYVets
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Today’s print media and communism go hand in hand.


4 posted on 01/28/2017 10:10:33 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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The writer is misquoting the article and skewing the conclusion. The FBI reported #’s of incidents and responders.

There are more unarmed civilians than carriers in the general population. The incidents were predominately at gun free zones where people could not legally carry. Both these facts would lead to > numbers of incidents where the bystanders who intervened were unarmed.

Therefore looking at the # of interventions by bystanders in this study allows no conclusions to be drawn about which class of bystander(unarmed or armed citizen) is more likely to successfully control the situation without injury/loss of life to him/herself, or other bystanders. Our common sense, a quality of which the writer seems totally bereft, is left to make those conclusions.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf


5 posted on 01/28/2017 10:10:44 AM PST by JayGalt
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When a newspaper like the Kansas City Star publishes opinionated excrement from an idiot like Andrew Park, it turns the newspaper into leftist used toilet paper.


6 posted on 01/28/2017 10:11:41 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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Or a scalpel.


7 posted on 01/28/2017 10:12:37 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of :-)Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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Having worked in a big city ER for many years I can think back to all the times we were being threatened.I witnessed one incident where someone tried to carry out the threat.I needed a change of underwear after that one.

Guns in hospitals? Gee,I don't know.The percentage of patients (and friends/family members) *we* saw who had major league psychiatric disorders was huge.

8 posted on 01/28/2017 10:14:38 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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For that matter guns don’t have any place in churches either.

Unless of course you need to defend yourself or others from a madman walking in and shooting everyone in sight.

But you go ahead Doc. Continue to think like the idiot you are.


9 posted on 01/28/2017 10:16:30 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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I’ll bet those dead, untrained souls at Sandy Hook would have preferred to face Adam Lanza with their own weapon.


10 posted on 01/28/2017 10:17:47 AM PST by umgud
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From the article; “unarmed citizens were 20 times more likely to stop an active shooter situation than an individual with a gun.”

Maybe unarmed citizens outnumber individuals with a gun some 50:1 or better? And that would be like here in AZ where we have constitutional carry. How’s about outside the free country in places like New York and California?


11 posted on 01/28/2017 10:18:17 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I thank God, Broom Hillary was stopped. Now, moving on, I pray for Trump.)
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Today’s print media and communism go hand in hand.

The Kansas City "RED" Star is a prime example

12 posted on 01/28/2017 10:18:43 AM PST by TYVets
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“No place for guns.” Sure. And the violent criminals? Will they hear that and keep away?

What an idiot.


13 posted on 01/28/2017 10:23:16 AM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism is a mental disorder without a cure.)
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There is never any possibility for crime in a big building filled with every imaginable drug, to which people who have been attacked by criminals but are still alive to testify are taken.


14 posted on 01/28/2017 10:23:22 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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That was exactly my thought.

The applied biologist is either no statistician or a complete fraud engaging in deceptive distortion.

The absurdity of claiming that unarmed people are more effective at stopping someone who’s armed is obvious.


15 posted on 01/28/2017 10:24:31 AM PST by Regulator
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“It seems unthinkable that in my daily workplace, with armed security and a state hospital police department, there could be other people carrying guns who have no training and who have undergone no background checks (something made legal in 2015 by Kansas law).”

So, exactly who do you think all those hospital cops are protecting you against?


16 posted on 01/28/2017 10:43:13 AM PST by PLMerite
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Just remember folks, not every MD graduates at the top of the class.

What do you call the person who graduates last in their medical school?............Doctor.

17 posted on 01/28/2017 10:49:59 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: unixfox

Because “gun free” zones are so very effective in discouraging those who would do us harm.


18 posted on 01/28/2017 10:57:55 AM PST by Noumenon ("Only the dead have seen an end to war.")
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I believe everyone is looking at this the wrong way.

In Reality he is Advocating for Firearms Training in all Public School throughout the State beginning at the age of 10. He appears to only be upset about people being properly trained in the use of firearms.

I think the Legislature should take him up on is offer and make it LAW that ALL Citizens receive Proper Training beginning in the 4th Grade.


19 posted on 01/28/2017 12:23:34 PM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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Our police and security have months and often years of training in the safe handling of firearms ...

Many people seem to labor under the delusion that officers are great shots and civilians are terrible shots. Most who will carry for defensive purposes will spend some time at the range. I'm not suggesting that there are some who won't. But it's not a given that the trained officer is any better than the novice with a modicum of training. This suggests that any civilian with a brief class that includes some range time is no worse than a novice police officer who only has a "very small" disadvantage over a fully trained officer.

Conclusion: Overall, the results of this study indicate that trained officers had a very small advantage in shooting accuracy over intermediate and novice shooters.

- http://www.forcescience.org/articles/naiveshooter.pdf

FBI data from active shooter incidents has shown that unarmed citizens were 20 times more likely to stop an active shooter situation than an individual with a gun.

This is a nonsense statistic and completely unprovable. You would have to identify every person in every active shooting situation who was carrying. Those carrying, given the anti-gun culture we live in are not likely to admit they are carrying (unless directly asked by law enforcement). How many carriers realized there was an active shooter and simply left the scene (secure in the knowledge that if they encountered the shooter they'd shoot back). Furthermore in any setting there are 20-times more non-carrying citizens than carrying precisely because of the anti-gun culture we live in.

20 posted on 01/28/2017 1:22:18 PM PST by DeltaZulu
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