Drango will be deeply saddened by this article.
Nanny State PING!
Hey if bars, casinos and restaurants want to go out of business, go for it!!!
The average smoker is low education low income.
That’s where you want your market to be!! :)
Cause I would NEVER ####ing go to a place where a smoker is allowed again.
I’ve gotten used to not breathing in toxins. It fits me.
Doctor told my mom she has the lung of someone who smoked for 20 years.
Guess what. She didn’t. Guess who did?
“Gay bars cater to the 15 percent of the population that is gay...”
The article has some severe issues with the statistics cited.
Private Clubs with enough room and proper ventilation should be able to present the choice to adults. Outside patio seating or a separate windowed room, would be the ideal setting.
Just as I think private clubs and schools should be able to be men only if they want to be, without being sued into oblivion or slandered on Yelp and Facebook.
You smoke in the next booth over from my family and me while I’m eating my tacos and enchilada, and I will come over and forcibly show you why I don’t want you doing that.
I support property rights. If there is smoking in an establishment, we cannot go, but it really is up to the business owner. I can see some benefits either way.
I think we have reached a point to where the social image and economics of permitting smoking in a business is more powerful than any government smoking ban.
Thus, you could open a restaurant, airline, bar or grocery story that allowed smoking, but in all likelihood, that business would fail.
Just ban tobacco. Problem solved.
I’m tired of all the anti-smoking zealots. Just ban it.
The whining drives me nuts. Ban it.
Stupid. Just ban cigarettes and get it over with. Still too many idiots smoking themselves into graves. So nice that they typically cannot intrude upon the rest of us that have enough common sense to know it is bad and want nothing to do with the filthy habit.
“Second-hand Smoke Isn’t as Harmful as Once Thought
In 2013 already there were indications...”
What? It’s been known for decades that second-hand smoke harm was junk science.
Did that information get swept completely under the rug?
While I disagree with smoking bans, I vehemently detest the connecting vaporizers and ‘e-cigs’ into the same ban. There’s never been any reputable study that shows the slightest negative health effects to the user, and the lone study that claims second hand effects comes from the same source that set off the second hand smoke witch hunt.
It is absolutely inane that something that ‘looks’ like smoking is being banned simply for that ‘feature.’ Worse, these products are pulling people off of cigarettes faster than all other methods combined. And as these devices are banned, users are returning to cigarettes in increasing numbers.
Enough is enough. Had the anti-smokers held back their attacks, cigarettes could nearly have been a thing of the past. But medical solutions give campaign contributions and lobbyist dollars, and these inexpensive and far more importantly, dramatically more effective solution. Add in tobacco companies who write out those checks just as fast to politicians, and whoopie, new bans with absolutely no foundation in any health arena (see the Surgeon General’s report... which had a rather hard time not calling e-cigs healthy.)
I would never begrudge anyone for smoking if that’s what they really want to do and spend their money on. Who am I to be their mommy anyway. I was the most militant pro-smoking guy in the country when we started getting pressured to have smoking stopped in all indoor places in California in the late 90’s. When it finally went into effect I would only go to bars that still allowed it. Over time the smoking police caught up with all of them until none allowed it anymore within the city limits. You could still find them out in the rural areas and still can as far as I know.
Now, after having quit 16 years ago, I still respect the right of anyone to smoke in their own personal indoor spaces but not any public indoor places. A smoker has the option of stepping outside for a smoke and can usually take their drink with them if it’s a bar but a non smoker does not have the ability to go to that same bar and not smoke if smoking was still allowed there. Funny thing is when I moved away from CA it was so great to be able to smoke in bars again but just one year later I was coughing so much I simply had no choice; I had to quit smoking.
I mean no disrespect to anyone who smokes but to many of us, maybe ex-smokers more than never-smokers, the smell is truly terrible.
I really wish cigarettes and cigars had never been invented. I could have bought a new car every year with what I spent on tobacco for the last 5 years I smoked (2 packs a day). I gave myself a raise of well over $200 a month back then which would be like $400 now I guess. I see people I know who are so broke they can hardly pay attention but they always manage to find a way to pay for more smokes. I’ve been there. When budgeting the priorities were, smokes, beer, some food of some kind, and gas; in that order. By eliminating the first two; I had more than enough for the other two and could take a lady out for a nice dinner once in a while.
A lot of women would never quit because they were worried, and rightfully so, that they would gain some weight. It takes a lot of weight to equal the same damage smoking does and if they stay active enough; even that can be mitigated. Anyway; that’s my story FWIW. YMMV. JMHO. I saw in the news the other day that doctors in the UK are now declining to operate on people who smoke. Too many possible complications from smoking in particular but also tobacco products in general. Doctors probably decline surgery for many who smoke all over the world; we just don’t really hear about it much.
The reason the war on smoking about was when Bill Clinton and his band of crooks occupied the White House. The Democrats did a study of industries and manufacturers. Which political Party they contributed to, how much they contributed, and if they contributed to each Party, how much did they contribute to each Party. They learned that the Cigarette Manufacturers contributed heavily to the Republican Party and and very little to the Democrat Party. War was declared on smoking, using the tried and true methods of the Democrat Party, lies, lies, lies, and more lies.
I smoked for 20 years. I quit cold turkey 6 years ago after an illness. Hubby still smokes...outside. I have no issue with having a beer at a smoking bar. People are generally respectful where I live and ask if it bothers you. I always consent because it’s a dog bar too and they put up with my mutts.
I never want to have to quit anything like tobacco ever again. My doctor told me that it was harder to break than opioid addiction. So God bless anyone still struggling with it. I certainly don’t want to be a reason for them to climb on a high horse and defend an ever vanishing public smoking establishment.
I don’t want my hair and clothes to smell like cigarette even if they said it was healthy, which of course it’s not. Why do the faces of long time smokers always look like old catchers mitts? And why do their teeth fall out from gum disease?
That's where he lost me. You can't avoid GMO foods because the corrupt FDA refuses to require that they be labeled.
On the smoking issue, I'm of two minds. In the past, I hyped up the passive smoking scare for all it was worth, and I fear for an ulterior motive: because I find tobacco smoke one of the most revolting stenches in the modern world, and I want the entire public realm to be smoke free. What people do in private - yes, their business.
Yeah, NO.
You want Cheech blowing weed in your face?
There’s an infinite number of real problems to be addressed before we worry about smoking bans. That said, liberty is an issue. Once again normalizing smoking would be truly a bad thing, there’s enough stupid young people who take up smoking as it is even with all the evidence against it.
“Passive smoking has many downstream health effects—asthma, upper respiratory infections, other pulmonary diseases, cardiovascular disease...
A large body of research has linked passive smoking to lung cancer, as well as to coronary heart disease, asthma, emphysema, respiratory infections, sudden infant death syndrome, low birth weight, and childhood ear infections. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, secondhand smoke is responsible for 46,000 heart disease deaths and 3,400 lung cancer deaths among US nonsmoking adults each year
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