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To: for-q-clinton

“if the Catholic Church was part of genocide, what have they done to punish those involved?”

The Catholic Church was not part of the genocide.

This is just anti-Catholic propaganda.


18 posted on 03/20/2017 12:41:06 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective

That the pope apologized for. And last I checked he was the church.


27 posted on 03/20/2017 1:00:40 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: detective; Organic Panic; cherry; sickoflibs; PGR88; I want the USA back

That is true to some extent, even though people, including priests from within the Catholic Church participated, some of them in saving lives too, it bears to be noted. The Roman Catholic Church in Rwanda did not plan it. Yet more than a mere few among that Church did nothing to stop it (if not participating, themselves) and some priests did more than just going with the flow...

It's not that simple. Francis the talking fill-in-the-blank did say what is being reported.

There were humans involved. Many of them were Catholic. Other denominations were represented among "the bad guys", too.

Tutsi ran to churches trying to find sanctuary. Mobs still found them. In some occasions priests essentially opened the doors --assisted-- so to speak.

In about 30 minutes of reading I also came across 2 accounts of RC priests protecting people. One hid Tutsi women in a bathroom (for about 3 months) another had a whole church full, and did anything he had to do, including bribing would-be murderers (to not kill).

Short list of bad guys;

Athanase_Seromba In one instance, a church with allegedly nearly 2,000 Tutsi hiding inside was "bulldozed", survivors shot, with a local mayor doing the heavy lifting (giving orders) part of the dirty work.
The mayor; Grégoire Ndahimana

A different incident;
Wenceslas Munyeshyaka ...Govt slams France's dismissal of Munyeshyaka Genocide case;

A military tribunal in Rwanda has found a Catholic priest, resident in France, guilty of rape and involvement in the 1994 genocide and sentenced him in absentia to life in prison. He was found to have delivered hundreds of adults and children to the genocidal militias, which brutally slaughtered them. ... The military tribunal found Munyeshyaka guilty of rape and of aiding militias in the killing of hundreds of Tutsi refugees at the Holy Family Cathedral in downtown Kigali, where he was head priest.

Another priest;
Emmanuel Rukundo

A Seventh Day Adventist pastor
Elizaphan Ntakirutimana

In February 2003, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda found both Ntakirutimana and his son Dr. Gérard, a physician who had completed graduate work in the US prior to returning to Rwanda, guilty of genocide committed in Rwanda in 1994. The Tribunal found it proven beyond reasonable doubt that Ntakirutimana, himself belonging to the Hutu ethnicity, had transported armed attackers to the Mugonero complex, where they killed hundreds of Tutsi refugees. He was convicted on the basis of eyewitness accounts. A number of the convictions were overturned on appeal but the sentence was unchanged. Ntakirutimana was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released on December 6, 2006 after serving 10 years under arrest or in prison, and died the following month.

Another civil servant/local politico;
Jean-Paul Akayesu

As mayor, Akayesu was responsible for performing executive functions and maintaining order in Taba, meaning he had command of the communal police and any gendarmes assigned to the commune. He was subject only to the prefect. He was considered well-liked and intelligent.

During the Rwandan Genocide of mid-1994, many Tutsis were killed in Akayesu's commune, and many others were subject to violence and other forms of hatred. Akayesu not only refrained from stopping the killings, but personally supervised the murder of various Tutsis.[1] He also gave a death list to other Hutus, and ordered house-to-house searches to locate Tutsis.

How and why did this occur within comparatively majority Christian African nation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Rwanda#1994_Genocide

Timothy Longman has provided the most detailed discussion of the role of religion in the Rwandan genocide in Christianity and Genocide in Rwanda, published in 2010.[5] Longman argues that both Catholic and Protestant churches helped to make the genocide possible by giving moral sanction to the killing. Churches had longed played ethnic politics themselves, favoring the Tutsi during the colonial period then switching allegiance to the Hutu after 1959, sending a message that ethnic discrimination was consistent with church teaching. The church leaders had close ties with the political leaders, and after the genocide began, the church leaders called on the population to support the new interim government, the very government supporting the genocide.

link to 24 page pdf (of Timothy Longman's work);

and a link from google cache (that leaves it a bit scrambled, but loads easier and faster for those whose browsers encounter difficulties opening pdf' [copy & paste into browser location bar];

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RuIWu6iE4D4J:home.sandiego.edu/~jmwilliams/longmanonchurchandgenocideinrwanda.pdf+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I was able to find the above info easily. Posting it took a bit more time...

On this thread, I think I like what I want the USA back said;


44 posted on 03/20/2017 2:53:01 PM PDT by BlueDragon (my kinfolk had to fight off wagon burnin' scalp taking Comanches, reckon we could take on a few more)
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