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To: detective

I can agree with you in this. I just said the same thing.

It does beg the question though -- what is "the Catholic Church" if among other considerations that not include the people?

Seems to me he's buying into being held to the same standards he the Catholic Church espouses (and that being used as form of trap too, by *some*, of course).

Perhaps part of what complicates extricating "the Catholic Church" for things such as this, is the other-side-of-the-coin; when "the Church" claims credit to itself for what it's members do that is laudable?

47 posted on 03/20/2017 4:07:40 PM PDT by BlueDragon (my kinfolk had to fight off wagon burnin' scalp taking Comanches, reckon we could take on a few more)
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To: BlueDragon

The church can “claim credit” for what its member do if what they did was done as part of their work in the church with its encouragement and approval.

I am sure there were priests in Rwanda who acted nobly and honorably during the killings. Those few priests who acted badly were not acting as priests.

By the way, Rwandans are devout Catholics for the most part.
I have known several of them and heard their stories.


48 posted on 03/20/2017 4:15:48 PM PDT by detective
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To: BlueDragon
This is the best article I could find on the matter.

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Genocide, Religion, and Modernity
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
May 11-13, 1997

"In a number of communities where I conducted research, people testified that pastors and priests and other church employees participated in the violence that occurred. Church personnel were apparently involved in meetings held in mid-April in which the organizers of the genocide told mayors in the southern prefectures of Butare, Gikongoro, and Gitarama, many of whom had resisted the genocide and protected their Tutsi citizens, that they would be removed if they did not support the genocide. It was immediately after these meetings that the massacres began in these areas."

http://faculty.vassar.edu/tilongma/Church&Genocide.html

50 posted on 03/20/2017 5:19:55 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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