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Dems Claim Trump Team Not Wiretapped While They Were Being Wiretapped
PJ Media ^ | 03/23/2017 | Charlie Martin

Posted on 03/23/2017 10:08:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

On January 20, the New York Times published a story on wiretapping of Trump insiders. In the print version, the headline was "Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides," although you're going to have to squint to read the acknowledgment of the print headline at the bottom of the page.

Still, if you look through the actual article, you'll find this paragraph:

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

On March 4, Trump tweeted:

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

This, of course, has been the subject of lots of Claude Rains since then, as reporters and politicians announce they're shocked, shocked at that accusation.

I've written about this before here and here, and I won't go through the whole argument again as I'm not paid by the word, but the really inescapable conclusion was that either the New York Times reporting was false, or Trump was justified. The real question was identifying who in the Obama administration (or in the upper-level civil service staff) had been responsible for leaking information that identified a "US Person" -- and would they be prosecuted for what appear to be felonious violations of 18USC793 and 50USC1801.

If anyone. We know from the Clinton email scandal that the Espionage Act has an unwritten "except for Democrat politicians" exception. So this morning, Charlie Savage tweeted a criticism of the Wall Street Journal's editorial:

Re "fake president" editorial, why can't WSJ ed board grasp that FBI wiretap targeted Russian ambassador, not Flynn? https://t.co/4Alc56JQGl pic.twitter.com/MlwkNqr0i9

— Charlie Savage (@charlie_savage) March 22, 2017

I thought this was a little odd, and followed up:

Why can't you grasp that NYT, WaPo reported multiple times on Trump-insider intercepts? Were they lying? https://t.co/f3LmOLh7Pf

— (((Charlie Martin))) (@chasrmartin) March 22, 2017

From which we got to this:

@chasrmartin A talks to B. B is a surveillance target. Govt ends up with intercept involving A, even though A was not targeted. Get it?

— Charlie Savage (@charlie_savage) March 22, 2017

This strikes me as silly and disingenuous: it's the same old "well, it wasn't really a wiretap and it wasn't really a wiretap of Trump" defense.

Now, after a lot of talk during hearings on Monday that no one saw evidence that Trump had been wiretapped, today Devin Nunes announced (quoting from his press release):



At our open hearing on Monday, I encouraged anyone who has information about relevant topics -- including surveillance on President-elect Trump or his transition team -- to come forward and speak to the House Intelligence Committee. I also said that, while there was not a physical wiretap of Trump Tower, I was concerned that other surveillance activities were used against President Trump and his associates.

I recently confirmed that, on numerous occasions, the Intelligence Community incidentally collected information about U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition.

Details about U.S. persons associated with the incoming administration -- details with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value -- were widely disseminated in intelligence community reporting.

I have confirmed that additional names of Trump transition team members were unmasked.

To be clear, none of this surveillance was related to Russia or any investigation of Russian activities or of the Trump team. (Emphasis mine.)

As a commenter at Instapundit pointed out, this is starting to look like the old Washington tradition, the "modified limited hangout."

So, this is getting even more interesting now. It appears now that a number of Trump insiders were intercepted, and no, I'm not buying the argument that Trump saying "wiretapped" was wrong, especially since that's exactly what was reported. And it appears now that people trying to maintain that Trump was "lying" about being wiretapped are being driven to the interesting defense that it was a lie because the U.S. wasn't actually wiretapping Trump people when the U.S. was wiretapping Trump people.

Which is, at least, good for a laugh.

In the meantime, though, I think Colonel Mustard should lawyer up: the bobbies are closing in.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; denial; dncstrategy; nunespresser; obamagate; russia; trumptowergate; trumptransition; trumpwiretaps; wiretapping

1 posted on 03/23/2017 10:08:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower”

Does he won Trump Tower either through his corporation, partnership or LLC? If so, then all the wires are his.

See, it all depends on what the definition of “my ‘wires’” is.


2 posted on 03/23/2017 10:15:03 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

won = own


3 posted on 03/23/2017 10:16:32 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: SeekAndFind

The most concerning aspect was the facial expressions of Devin Nunes. It looked like he had just been to the scene of an accident and learned that loved ones had died.

The words are one thing, but the look on his face conveyed a message of grave concern.

The way he released the data got the information out in the wild before the media and Mr. Schiff had a chance to reformulate and discredit the report.


4 posted on 03/23/2017 10:20:47 AM PDT by ptsal
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To: SeekAndFind

The “incidental” claim is a cover story.

Comey was surveiling Trump’s people for the Clintons. He did it with an oblique method that afforded plausible deniability.

Betcha.


5 posted on 03/23/2017 10:21:59 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: SeekAndFind

Soon: “Dem operative caught on wiretap denying Trump was being wiretapped”.


6 posted on 03/23/2017 10:25:05 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind

The very people wiretapping him deny they wiretapped him.

And yet, if you listen carefully, they admit they “surveilled” him for months. And how do you do that?

Buried in the word salad is a complete admission that they wiretapped him, read his mail, listened to his calls, knew everything he did. They are just denying that they connected two alligator clips to two terminals.

And while you are listening, notice that while they accuse Putin of hacking the election, they make it plain that they themselves in fact were hacking the election. Unsuccessfully so, thank goodness, but not for lack of trying.


7 posted on 03/23/2017 10:36:14 AM PDT by marron
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To: ptsal

“The way he released the data got the information out in the wild before the media and Mr. Schiff had a chance to reformulate and discredit the report.”

IMHO Nunes did the right thing. I love the part where the information was given to the White House. Hehehehe. That drags Barry into this. Hahaha


8 posted on 03/23/2017 10:37:08 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: SeekAndFind; LS; onyx; DoughtyOne; RoosterRedux; MinuteGal
The Left and the NeverTrump crowd has already been forced to flee into the circular argument arena, wherein the proverbial circular firing squad has commenced, led by Joe and Mika media types and the Pelosi and Maxine Waters Congressional types, aided by an occasional ammo delivery provided by the WSJOURNAL, Conservative Review and Red State RINO contingency and of course, two senatorial giants, McVain and Linda Graham. Please Clap Bushies should be adequately embarrassed, as well. Winning!😎
9 posted on 03/23/2017 10:42:30 AM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education/Academia are the farm team for more Marxists coming... infinitum.)
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To: blue-duncan; SeekAndFind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3537239/posts?page=236

Linking the repository thread here


10 posted on 03/23/2017 10:44:46 AM PDT by hoosiermama (When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.DJT)
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To: marron

The only people who will accept the progressive story are those that a hookah smoking caterpillar has given the call. Go ask Alice. I think she’ll know.


11 posted on 03/23/2017 10:51:39 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: SeekAndFind
A talks to B. B is a surveillance target. Govt ends up with intercept involving A, even though A was not targeted. Get it?

Basically a rehash of Bill Clinton's famous "She had sex with me, but I didn't have sex with her" line of reasoning.

Also remember "24 business hours" ? That was another explanation generated by a feckless, cornered liberal wise-ass loser.

12 posted on 03/23/2017 10:59:09 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Liberals think in propaganda)
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To: ptsal

Or could it have been concern that something might happen to him once he knew the truth?


13 posted on 03/23/2017 11:03:16 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: marron

Saying “wire-tapped” is much the same as saying: “filmed the incident” (when it was actually recorded digitally), or “videotape the show” (in lieu of “record the program on DVR). The tech has changed; but the purpose remains unchanged — and we all know what the speaker means.


14 posted on 03/23/2017 11:58:20 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: marron
They are just denying that they connected two alligator clips to two terminals.

Long ago, when I was in commercial radio communications work, I wanted one of those, what we called "buttinskis" or "butt-sets". It looked like a telephone handset with a dial (early ones had rotary, later ones could also do DTMF) with a belt clip and alligator clips to hook into the line pair.

Never got one. If I had one today, I'd need a time machine to go somewhere I could use it for anything but a table lamp.

15 posted on 03/23/2017 12:03:02 PM PDT by thulldud
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To: RitaOK

Agreed...


16 posted on 03/23/2017 2:36:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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