Posted on 04/09/2017 4:59:29 PM PDT by marktwain
Thanks.
Very well done.
Maybe I wasn't clear in my post. This is why I said what I did. If George W. Bush did not anticipate the influence of "the biggest power in American Politics for 60 years," then he shouldn't even be allowed to dress himself in the morning.
Well, no. That's the point. If I'm NOT an expert and even I could see this disaster unfolding, then surely it was being managed by a bunch of simpletons.
You're completely ignorant when you need to be ignorant.
Well, no. How do you turn something into a dysfunctional mess when it is already a dysfunctional mess?
If George W. Bush did not anticipate the influence of “the biggest power in American Politics for 60 years,” then he shouldn’t even be allowed to dress himself in the morning.
They turned on him on a dime. Being a big political power, and being willing to use that power to lose a war for political puposes is considerably different.
You are certainly an expert at deploying straw men and sophistry.
If George W. Bush did not anticipate the influence of “the biggest power in American Politics for 60 years,” then he shouldn’t even be allowed to dress himself in the morning.
I admit, perhaps the biggest mistake G. W. Bush made was underestimating the hostility of the Establishment Media, and its willingness to fabricate lies to destroy his presidency.
But it was not so obvious that this was the case before we invaded to end the war in Iraq. I do not recall a single person predicting it. Maybe you can help my memory. There might have been a couple.
Well then, perhaps we have learned a lesson about doing business with people in the Middle East?
Yes? No?
Reply to: “The only error in your thinking is the way you present the 2003 invasion of Iraq as a continuum dating back to the first Gulf War in 1990-91. You are correct in describing it this way, but that doesn’t necessarily make it justifiable. In fact, when the Saudi influence in radical Islam started getting some scrutiny after 9/11, a lot of people began to wonder about something I’ve contended since 1990 — that perhaps the U.S. was on the wrong side in Desert Storm.”
While the decision to go to war at the beginning of 1991 is debatable, I’m going to have to disagree with you about it. We were on the right side of that one, and (what is not the same) getting involved was the right thing to do. Saddam Hussein had just conquered Kuwait, and looked to be preparing to invade Saudi Arabia. The Saudis deserve all the criticism they’ve gotten, for their support of Wahhabism. But letting Saddam Hussein take over the whole region, would have been a disaster, especially for Europe. We are partially insulated from European problems by an ocean, but anything that hits Europe that hard would be a disaster for the United States, as well. Shutting Saddam down was the right thing to do, in spite of the costs of war.
The WMDs Assad was using recently could be the ones the Russians took there at Saddam Hussein’s request for safekeeping.
Thank you....it was the best explanation to date. I gave up trying
The Bush administration gave 17 reasons for the war.
Thank you for good explanation of things regarding Iraq.
I read that 550 tons of yellowcake was found and sold to Canada three years later, during Iraq War. I also know that we should have went to Iraq sooner instead of giving a notice, almost unheard of in previous wars....there was a convoy of trucks on Fox News that went into Syria from Iraq prior to start of Iraq War, I saw it on TV. Sadaam sent something in all those trucks for safe keeping??
I was upset when elder Pres Bush had a parade and claimed we won in Iraq, and I told a friend...we will have to go back! Premature. I agree with what you have said, and I haven’t tried to discuss it on FR.... Nice to see facts and not emotional drama! I also saw Pres Bush in 2006 state in a speech that the next President would need to leave a substantial force in Iraq, or it would create a vacuum, which would be filled by a caliphate. That speech exists!
Please let me add, I do not have the respect for G.W. Bush the way I had it during his Presidency. The influence of NWO on that family has created a different way of thinking. It was disappointing to see how Bill Clinton has infiltrated that family. I was never a fan of Jeb Bush.
G.W.’s Christianity does not come thru to me the way it did during his time in office....not sure why! Maybe the constant media attacks or pressure caused him to change his mind about some things....sad.
Dude, this is straight out of the globalist propaganda factory... don’t you know what Foreign Policy magazine is?
It’s a big time CFR publication founded and edited by a big time Clintonite.
The fact that they’re trying to debunk alleged myths ought to tell you that there’s more truth behind those alleged myths than they ever want you to know.
Why were we there in the first place?
To protect one group of Muslims from another group of Muslims. And it has been the same ever since.
Neither group of Muslims is ever grateful for us helping them over the other group of Muslims. They hate us all the same after we do their bidding for them.
Why do we need to do that?
Of course that chance has now been shot to hell by the destruction deliberately inflicted by Obama, who was determined to make "Bush's war" a failure. Obama, infatuated with himself (and under the illusion that all historians would always be as gullible as the Nobel Committee), thought that his base political motives for destroying Iraq would never be exposed. But it looks as if he is already being proved wrong on that assessment.
And btw, I still respect Dick Cheney, and disagree with your harsh words.
I didn't predict it because I expected the media to lead a political uprising against Bush. I figured the media would simply jump off the bandwagon once events in Iraq didn't turn out as those in Washington were predicting.
What was the basis of that assessment? How many "functioning democracies" did you see over there in any of those Islamic countries before 2007?
That's your prerogative. I'll never respect that guy. And I suspect most Americans don't, either. I would hope that the days of draft-dodgers sending U.S. soldiers to fight wars in Third World sh!t-holes are over.
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