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1 posted on 05/03/2017 7:38:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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But this version still has the strong mandate even Obama couldn’t get? This is ACA Plus.


2 posted on 05/03/2017 7:43:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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I don’t understand how this fixes current healthcare problems. Am I still going to pay thousands of dollars a year for health coverage with a $6000 deductible?


5 posted on 05/03/2017 7:55:54 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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Upton’s role here is crucial. He is the former chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and an experienced health care legislator. His defection to ‘No’ on Tuesday suggested that even the revised version of AHCA could be in real trouble.

But after a dramatic trip to the White House on Wednesday, Upton reversed himself and said he would support the bill with his amendment. He later told reporters at the Capitol that he had actually started working on the amendment on Monday night, the day before he publicly announced his opposition.

Upton’s conversion — along with that of Missouri Republican Billy Long, another surprising defection earlier this week — seems to have persuaded enough wavering Republicans to come onboard.


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7 posted on 05/03/2017 7:57:43 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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Our healthcare system will never be the same. Obamacare has thrown it through the Overton window and now anything less than single-payer will be called cruel and affordable. And in 2018 that's what the Dims will run on.

I'm already looking at Costa Rica or Hungary to get dental work done. Hungary has one of the best dentistry clinics in the world and it's far cheaper than the U.S. Implants are just $500-$1,000 per tooth, and that includes the crown, implant, and the bone graft.

8 posted on 05/03/2017 7:57:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Man-made global liberalism is killing the planet)
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Am I missing something — it hasn’t even made it to the senate, yet?


10 posted on 05/03/2017 7:58:39 PM PDT by dhs12345
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If this doesn’t pass, the Dems will go into an unprecedented gloat.


11 posted on 05/03/2017 8:03:03 PM PDT by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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13 posted on 05/03/2017 8:08:30 PM PDT by hoosiermama (When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.DJT)
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People with pre-existing conditions do not need insurance. They need charity.

The sooner our society understands that, the sooner we can provide them with better care.


14 posted on 05/03/2017 8:13:21 PM PDT by rwilson99 (How exactly would John 3:16 not apply to Mary?)
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A pre-existing condition is a planned claim. That is not “insurance” any more than if you could buy fire “insurance” to pay a “claim” after your house has burned down.


20 posted on 05/03/2017 9:03:24 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Say what you will about The Donald, but he has all the right enemies.)
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This is still an insurance company boondoggle and another program designed for fraud. Only a straight repeal followed by interstate insurance and medical competition oversight can work.


24 posted on 05/04/2017 1:26:22 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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With “pre-existings” in the same pool as everyone else, “age 26”, and the “EHB provisions” still in there, and a lot of the taxes/fees removed, AHCA will death spiral faster that the original Obamacare! No premium relief for hardworking Americans who need to purchase insurance.


26 posted on 05/04/2017 1:48:04 AM PDT by Drago
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Could it work to have government paid catastrophic coverage (yearly & lifetime) for everyone and let insurers provide everything below that? I’m assuming a pretty high yearly limit guaranteed by gov’t so insurers are still needed (i.e. multiples of $100k, not $5000) and can provide everything from complete care to mini-catastrophic (up to govt limit) policies.

Anyone could have a health catastrophe today. There’s a low chance but high cost that we all face. The risk is known to be greater for some people who’s pre-existing conditions have been diagnosed. But there are plenty of undiagnosed issues and plenty of people who will randomly get something like cancer. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to share that risk through taxes, especially if we are saying the government is paying a significant amount for health care/insurance anyhow. It seems far better to share that risk through federal taxes than through the complex system of money transfers/payments/taxes/fines/etc that we are setting up.

Insurers’ risk would be limited for both known and unknown pre-existing conditions. They’d be much better able to calculate their risk/cost and provide a range of policies for different people based on how much risk/cost I want at any point in my life. We are moving away from anything resembling insurance with these proposals, into a system where “those who can afford it” pay medical costs for “everyone”. The single-payer is “ those who can afford it” rather than the government, with a complex system for their money to go through the system. It is single-payer even if politicians won’t admit it and have all the payments go through the government.

The purpose of the mandate, subsidies, fines, and all the other complexities that Ds and Rs are putting in place is to hide the fact that they are setting up a single-payer system where there is little/no insurance in the traditional sense, just a complex system to get money from some people who can afford it to anyone who needs it. Companies who provide insurance for other things happen to be the ones who handle distributing money to health care providers, but the “insurance” part of their role is being greatly reduced.

On another note, is any politician ever again going to talk about HEALTH CARE COSTS rather than how to pay?


30 posted on 05/04/2017 4:56:36 AM PDT by LostPassword
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Republicans now own it. They’re fools.


33 posted on 05/04/2017 8:45:19 AM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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