Posted on 05/05/2017 8:20:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Krauthammer: This Debate Was ‘The Collapse of Trump’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-krauthammer-this-debate-was-the-collapse-of-trump/
Krauthammer: ‘Trump Was Winning, Then He Committed Political Suicide’
Krauthammer Declares The End Of Trump: “It Was Obvious He Was Dodging”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/06/charles_krauthammer_declares_the_end_of_trump.html
Krauthammer: Trump Made ‘War on the Moderators’ Because ‘He Thinks He Lost’ Debate
If the GOP has done what is being advertised, I agree. It would appear that the GOP proposes to continue to support certain aspects of 0bamacare then it will fail as well. Continuing to refuse to explicitly weigh in on whether healthcare is a right is, IMHO, an abrogation of the duty of COngress. By not explicitly stating the obvious, it cannot be, the default is that it is but without the uproar that would occur if they just said as much. Typical cowards.
Since the healthcare legislation that is proposed is built on a lie it can never succeed. When it fails a new proposal that even further entrenches the notion of healthcare as a right will follow and the inevitable end is gummint healthcare. Of course, this will also be a disaster but by then the Rats will be back in power and all the damage can be blamed on the GOP.
Trump won but not by a huge margin and the pendulum of US politics will start swinging against the GOP soon. In my opinion, Trump could do something to prevent these things but it would require him to really strike fear into the hearts of the wanna be fascists. So far I see no real effort to make them fear him.
The golden parachutes are packed and being strapped on as we speak...
Socialist US bump for later....
Study up on “The Prisoner’s Dillema” and Nash...
"KRAUTHAMMER: IF TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE, GOP COULD LOSE HOUSE AND SENATE!"
And the irony will be that it was the Socialists that insisted on each step of the path to that inevitable result.
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He’s right. People now view health care as an entitlement that they deserve.
If I have a “fundamental right” to Health Care to be provided by the fruits of Labor of somebody else, isn’t that somebody else, by definition a SLAVE???
And, of course, what you describe will be the inevitable result.
Thank you. I have been crying in the wilderness for years...
Even a stopped clock is correct twice each day and Charles is correct that even conservatives have now accepted a Federal Government responsibility for health care, or more accurately, health care insurance. Conservatives no longer hold to the principal that the Federal Government has no responsibility in this area; they now just talk about who can design and administer the program best. It is no longer a question of “whether to do it”, but just “how it will be done”. It is just like a bolder falling down a mountain. It can’t fall back up.
Posted elsewhere on the sametopic:
Not quite.
First, the dispensing of health care is in the hands of the provider. That means the doctor. The one group in all of this mess who have been most hostile to government rationed health care is the doctors. If they can get out of the trap they will not go back to it or any semblance of it.
Second, people who can afford health care are not interested in one size fits all government insurance. Middle class citizens understand intuitively that there are differences in the quality of care dependent upon one’e ability to pay. Government care does not guarantee quality of care. Quite the reverse, it reduces care to a level below affordable expectations.
Third, not to beat a dead horse, but, if I can pay for a Cadillac and want a Cadillac, why would I be willing to pay the same money for a Honda?
Fourth, about that horse, the old system of Medicaid for the poor is just fine for the poor. Or maybe it is not but it is not fine for everybody.
But this much was obvious. Even Stevie Wonder could see this....
Obamacare failed at every level. Politically, the Democrats were crushed over six years and four elections, whereas you say, they lost seats in the House, the Senate, the governorships, etc. largely because of Obamacare.
Lol
I believe he is right, unfortunately
Modelling this as an infinite iteration PD given what we know about the Left -- and about those who accept and advocate for benefits at the expense of others -- indicates that the best outcome is always non-cooperation.
So we need to educate the idiots in the middle as to why Single Payer cannot work in a low trust society such as ours.
If he’s talking about the government as the payer, it’ll take longer. And possibly never happen.
If he’s talking about “those who can afford it” as the single payer for everyone, then we’re getting close.
The gutless congress won’t make it obvious what they are doing since there would be some (tiny bit) of accountability and transparency. Instead, they are creating multiple channels which money will flow from the payers (those with ability to pay) to the recipients (those with need)
* taxes
* mandates/fines/surcharges
* individual-paid premiums
* employer-paid premiums
* risk corridors and other federal transfers of money
* payments to states and state transfers of money
* “those in need” get medicare or subsidies to feed other channels
* “insurers” get money from a variety of sources
* health care providers get money from insurers
* anyone can get health care
If you don’t like the situation, EVERYONE involved can find someone else to blame. A perfect political solution with no accountability and plausible deniability by congress for anything that goes wrong, no matter how bad. “we set it up to work, it’s the state’s fault, or insurers, or ... complain to them but re-elect us since we were trying to help.”
And insurance companies aren’t providing insurance as much as being the go-between for all of these channels and health care providers.
Assuming this is the result congress wants, the honest (and cheaper) thing to do would be to get rid of all the channels and complexity set up a simple money flow
1) taxes are paid (by some)
2) anyone can get health care
3) health care providers bill “insurers” (who now handle payments, not insurance)
3) “insurers” add a percentage and bill the government
4) the government uses taxes to pay the insurers
This is the scenario both Ds and many Rs seem to be going for. Rs just don’t want to admit it so hide it in the complex money flow they are setting up.
I’d challenge anyone in congress to tell my how the results of my simple money flow are different from what they are trying to achieve in their complex system.
* who is my system providing health care to that theirs is not (or vice versa but I include everyone)
* who is paying more in my system?
* can you even tell me an individual’s cost in yours? Individual cost is taxes+premiums+surcharges+???.
And the federal budget is going to have multiple channels where taxes eventually flow to health care providers, many which don’t even look like “health care/insurance” so hard to say X% of revenue goes to “universal health care”. And don’t forget to add state taxes/budget since you’re pushing things on them.
* how do you lower costs in yours? I have a small number of places to focus on. You have dozens if not hundreds to blame and ignore any accountability
* how do voters change things? In mine, the voters get rid of you. With yours, the blame is always somewhere else and a new congress won’t be able to change things since it’s so complex. The complexity results in ZERO transparency to the system (even if you make a chart with all the $$$ involved it’s too complicated to understand and can be explained 10 different ways if you have 5 people tell me what it means)
* If government laws/regulations require me to do something (e.g. pay taxes), I deserve accountability and transparency. Mine can have it easy. Where is it in yours.
Speak for yourself.
Conservatives no longer hold to the principal that the Federal Government has no responsibility in this area;
Speak for yourself.
they now just talk about who can design and administer the program best. It is no longer a question of “whether to do it”, but just “how it will be done”.
Nonsense. Republicans are not conservatives. The people who short circuited the original repeal were the only conservatives in this discussion in Congress.
It is just like a bolder falling down a mountain. It can’t fall back up.
With the application of energy and human intelligence, it can. Engineers roll things a lot heavier than boulders up mountains literally every day. Spineless poltroons and lazy people unwilling or incapable of exertion will always argue otherwise.
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