Posted on 05/06/2017 4:50:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
The more it is discussed, the more complications surface.
Any idea on what should be done or should we just embrace the spirit of Obamacare or Obamacare lite?
Actually they pretty much occupy all of our public places.
Gracias, Jorge Arbusto, for giving California to La Raza.
I have challenged FReepers to tell just ONE Entitlement that has been taken away, just one. So far, nothing of substance.
As soon as Obamacare was signed into Law, it was here to stay in one form or another.
While we look at it as Government overreach, many look at it like it’s just another version of Medicare. Even die hard FReepers cannot agree on how it should be resolved.
As we all collectively pay for senior citizens, Veterans, the disabled and the terminally I’ll.
Like it or not, there are things the gov’t pays for collectively...roads, schools, airports, dams, armies, etc., and you pay for them through taxes.
I believe we should extend that collectively towards children with diseases whose parents can’t buy health insurance, and somehow cover those with pre-existing conditions, whether it’s high-risk pools or mandating companies to cover them with tax credits for the increased cost.
Ed
Of course, those are the truly needy. That's what MediCaid is for. Unfortunately there are now people working AND using MediCaid...that is wrong. They should be insured, and not sucking up the healthcare dollars from those who really need it.
Then there's the able bodied illegal aliens and other welfare parasites bilking the system.
I am not going to name the condition my daughter has, but a somewhat similar condition would be PKU. If people would just read a little about that, and imagine that was their child, then I think they might see the real fear that a lot of these people are feeling.
I don’t know what the solution is but I know a lot of people don’t have a realistic picture of how many people with pre-existing conditions are dealing with those conditions. If you are going to offer an opinion, at least make it an informed one.
That’s not true in my case. Oregon law allowed a company to refuse to sell you any health insurance, period, no ifs, ands or buts. There was no such thing as covering you for your health for conditions other than your PEC.
Believe me, I tried, and tried and tried...no go. I couldn’t buy it from any company in Oregon.
Ed
I see a difference.
We don't want people with existing conditions to be uninsurable, but we want it to be insurance...if someone only signs up for "insurance" when they have a need, then that's not "insurance." Employer provided health insurance is regulated by federal law. If you change jobs, pre existing conditions are not an issue.
I would be willing to concede that, for continuous coverage, pre-existing conditions should be covered.
If there is a gap, pre existing conditions should NOT be covered.
Fair enough?
Do you have a point to make, or is it lost in the sarcasm?
You’ve got to be kidding.
Those would be the Northeastern states that have the highest premiums and worst coverage in the US. New York, Mass, NJ, Maine etc etc
Community rating and guaranteed issue IS the fiasco.
Very well stated.
That’s not me, nor, I suspect, several others.
I’ve been a Freeper for decades, and I’m no concern troll.
Ed
Right after that, he started a new job with new insurance BCBS of Illinois. The medication was immediately approved.
The other sad thing is that the company couldn’t stay with BCBS of Illinois because it went up over 30%. We’ve been rather healthy this year, so not sure about the new insurance.
Do you see a connection there?
It’ll never get through the Senate. Too many GOPes on the rat side.
I’m self-employed, and get health insurance through the marketplace.
Before that, I was uninsured, even though I could afford it, because no company would sell it to me. Before that I was on COBRA, before that my company had s group plan that I paid for, for years, and was quite happy with it. But they canceled all health insurance plans for their employees.
Ed
Well I hate to be the one to break it to you but yeah, most charity comes from the government/taxpayers now.
And yes I know what real charity is.
So, my daughter, who should be able to work in some jobs, should not work, just so she can be covered by Medicaid?
That doesn’t make any sense!
She has a pre-existing condition. She will always have it. It will always be life threatening. On the other hand, with daily, careful management, she is pretty normal. She’ll never run marathons. She won’t be an astronaut. She won’t be able to join the military. But, she should be able to work at a desk job. She will most likely have more than the usual amount of medical absences. Life insurance companies won’t touch her, so I’m certain it will be the same with medical insurance when she isn’t covered by ours any more. Maybe Medicaid will be an option for her, but I hope I am raising her for more than to sit at home on a couch just so she can be covered by Medicaid!
Apparently, Oregon doesn't have a "preexisting conditions exclusion" provision. Some states do.
That's why you would want to be able to shop across state lines.
I have no idea, I really have no idea!
Health clinics? Doctors work for them for free medical care?
Tax credits for companies to cover PEC?
Honestly, that stuff is so far beyond me...
Ed
Do you really want to go there?
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