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President Donald J. Trump and the Free Republic of the United States of America
My own thoughts | 05/28/2017 | DoughtyOne

Posted on 05/28/2017 5:11:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne

Edited on 06/27/2017 12:47:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Over the years I have observed the things Conservatives ask for.  You see, at times they get them.  When they do, they sometimes don't seem to notice or be happy about those things being converted into actual policy, or bills that are signed into law.

For literally decades I grew older as I observed the Republicans in the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, lament being in the minority.  Very few times in my 66 years, have the Republicans in the House and Senate, realized a majority at the same time we have had a Republican president.  Now is one of those rare times.  And yet...

The word "dreamers" has been attached to a group who are not citizens of the United States.  That's a shame, because our own citizens have dreams that should and MUST take priority.  Our nation needs to be sound.  That comes before anything else.

I tossed that in, because our citizens had dreams too.  Their dreams unlike the others, were in the best interests of our nation.  Those who loved this nation dreamed of a time when all the Leftward drift could be addressed.  Deficit spending, tens of millions of illegal aliens, potential terrorists flooding into the United States, other "refugees" coming in numbers that COULD NOT be assimilated, were also very disconcerting.  These groups WERE at times NOT desirous of melding into the fabric of our nation.  Even if they were not intent on committing acts of terrorism, they were intent on changing the United States to their liking, and simply refusing to become Americanized.  Then there was the Leftist/Socialist/Marxist/Communist takeover of 1/6of our economy that had to be addressed, in the name of Obamacare.  There was also a desire to address Right to Life, deficit spending, our veteran's needs and our military.  There were international issues, and the need to back off the rush to combat the non-existent man made global warming.

We have seen the rule of law turned on it's head.  We see people attack the police, threaten their lives, and then meet with fatal results for being a threat to an officer of the law.  Then groups form to assert a false narrative, decry reasoned justice, then advocate for civil unrest, riots, and payback.  This payback is not then limited to the police.  It is parceled out to segments of the public irrationally.  We had a president and a political party that championed this.  We have universities that have championed it.  We had an MSM and entertainment industry that championed it.  We have billionaire enemies of the United States who champion it.  We have Leftist groups that are paid to riot, deny civil rights, and physically attack the people they disagree with.  We have universities that are run with U.S. government funds (at least in part), who refuse to allow Conservatives to make public presentations on their campus.

We have people aiding, abetting, and paying those participating in civil unrest and the denial of the civil rights of others.  We have a full blown race war going on right now, that is ultimately one-sided.  We also have a gender war raging at this time that is one sided.  White males have been deemed fair targets and deserving of racial and gender hatred and civil rights denials.

A president who was himself a racist, and that saw things diametrically opposed to loyalist United States citizens, was replaced by the voting public, with a man that wanted to return the United States to reasoned values.

Donald J. Trump was elected and provided a Republican House and Senate, so that he could turn things around.  Many of us were thrilled to see this.  Others were circumspect, would Trump follow through with his promises?

Folks, President Trump has followed through on almost all of this promises.  He has either written Executive Orders that strike down past Executive Orders, or he has supported legislation to get things done.  He has supported budget fixes to things.

Trump has already addressed, Right to Life, an incredibly good SCOTUS appointment, global warming efforts, illegal aliens, criminal aliens, government spending, downsizing departments, reducing over-regulation, and the influx of immigrants from terrorist nations.  He has opened up a bid process to build a wall on our southern border, and has started replacing fence in some areas with a 20 foot tall rugged steel barrier.  His announced policies have seen a 75 to 85% reduction in illegal aliens crossing the border.  He means business on this, and he is following through.

Is Trump the man those who supported him thought he would be?  Yes.  He is unquestionably the best president we have had since January 20th, 1989.  What's in question is whether he will continue to exhibit this level of support for Conservative causes, and eclipse President Ronald Reagan, as our best president of the "modern era", and possibly since the nation's founding.

What President Trump faced when becoming President of the United States, was monumental.  Almost every single category we could mention needed massive course correction.  I can't think of a single one that didn't.  On top of that, race relations were at their worst level in sixty years.  The lie that spawned the Black Lives Matter movement had been bought into by major Leftist papers and the President of the United States.  Racial support groups and our universities signed on.  "Permission" was given for people to go rogue rioting and beating people of a different color in public.  Not one word of condemnation was uttered to criticize this or put an end to it.

What could have been worse, when Trump took over?  Hardly anything.

As if that wasn't bad enough, we had Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and others advocating for open warfare against Russia.  If the Left had gotten Hillary Clinton elected, I shudder (and many of you do too) what our future would have been.  Luckily, we elected a man that was solid on the issues prior to being elected, and solid on them since, with very few exceptions.

Isn't that great!  Well?  You know folks, I return to the thought in the first paragraph now.  Do we as Conservatives recognize how good we have it?   Do we appreciate what has taken place?  Do we as a group universally offer up kudos to President Trump each day?  Well..., do we?  Many folks here do.  Many do, but not without a barb tossed in most of the time.  And then there are those who simply refuse to acknowledge how good Trump is.  Folks, he has been very good.

As of the writing of this commentary, Trump has not sided with our enemies once.  If you look at what he has advocated, what he has deemed the best he could hope to do right now, he has outperformed expectations on almost every single issue.

In light of these some of us praise him.  In light of his actions, others say they support him and include a barb in many of their posts.  Still others don't even bother to post something nice, they just go for the jugular based on some perceived infraction.  Let's look at four of those.

Trump has been in office for four months and a week.  That's 128 days today.

In that 128 days, he has failed to repeal and replace Obamacare.  He has failed to get the wall going.  He has failed to overturn DACA.  He has appointed his daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner as his assistants.

Trump advocated for the Ryan Health Care bill.  Most of us, myself included, criticized that.  We didn't want what we perceived as Obamacare lite.  Was that reasoned?  I believe so.  We had to make it known we didn't want a governmental health care plan.  We voiced our opinions, and the Conservative Caucus in the House refused to sign on.  That bill was DOA.  I think most of us were happy about that.  The president made some unfortunate comments about the failure, but was soon on the march toward a different version of the bill, once again submitted by Speaker Paul Ryan.  Trump advocated for it's passage.  As part of the bill, Planned Parenthood was completely refunded.  It passed by four votes in the House.  Just four folks...

Over in the U.S. Senate, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell appointed Senator Ted Cruz to come up with an alternate bill.  He didn't think the House bill could pass the Senate.  He designed his effort as a straight committee to floor vote strategy.  Cruz and his committee would come up with the best they could, and the Senate would vote up and down on it.  This way it couldn't stall in committee and fail to even come to a floor vote.

The facts are these.  The House barely passed it's bill.  The Senate will have a very hard time passing it's version.  What does this tell us?  It tells us, that we came about as close as we could to not being able to pass a bill in the House.  It appears that is the same case in the Senate.  If we had held out for more, it may have been an easier sell in the House, but may have doomed it in the Senate.  Whatever the Senate comes up with may cost votes in the House.  This thing is teetering right now, pass or no pass.

It's fairly clear this is the best we can do right now.  In 2018, we're hopeful to get a 60% majority in the U.S. Senate, and a better margin in the House than we have today.  We either go with what we can get right now, or chance not getting anything done.

As for the wall on the border, Trump put out bids and there was a robust response.  Companies will be building concepts.  A selection will be made.  Meanwhile Trump is replacing some industrial fencing with a formidable steel barrier.  I think this is reasoned progress for the first 128 days.  Some folks have looked at his budget requests, and don't think he put enough money in for the wall.  I have come to trust Trump.  With what he has already done, and with the process he has started, I expect him to follow through, and I don't think that is unreasonable to do.

As for failing to overturn DACA (I may be using the wrong name here, I think you'll know what I mean), I believe detractors have a reasoned beef.  As we address these things, there is a factor that I think a lot of folks are failing to take into consideration.  Were Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, or Kennedy better on immigration reform than Trump?  Even failing to take action on DACA, Trump has still advocated more and implemented more to address illegal immigrants than any president since at last the 1960s.  As this (DACA) relates to the rest of his actions, it may wind up being the one true failure for Trump to follow through.  If, heaven forbid it should remain that way, would this one thing cause us to see Trump as a complete failure for our cause?  I don't think so folks, and it's unfathomable for me to think of all the things he has addressed, for him to be seen as a failure based on this alone.  Even failing this, he will have done more to stop and reverse the illegal alien onslaught than any president in nearly 80 years.

Now comes the nepotism charge.  Ivanka and Jared are family, and Trump brought them in to assist him for no pay.  Both Ivanka and Jared have the ability to make a very handsome income each year, but both have come to the White House to help her father the president, for no salary.  They may serve as much as eight years for no salary.  Many have trashed them.  I am here to praise them.  We ask for selfless people to come to Washington and help clean the place up, but when two people do just that, some of us have taken many a pot shot at them and the president for them being there at all.  That is terribly misguided.

Ivanka and Jared have made their thoughts known on access to abortion, and the efforts addressing global warming.  None the less, the president has implemented his policy, not theirs.  Over Trump's life he came to believe what he does, and almost all of it aligns with our beliefs.  Despite his daughter holding different beliefs, he developed his core beliefs that are different, amazingly similar to ours.  Now, for some reason, folks have been very nervous that he would toss his beliefs overboard and adopt Ivanka or Jared's.  If he didn't do that in years past, why would he now?  Still some folks have been convinced that was about to happen.  No, it wasn't about to happen.

So what do we see on the forum today?  We see folks very happy at what is taking place.  They have evaluated Trump's promises and actions up to now, and they approve.  They still care about policy and won't let Trump stray too far, but they do trust him.  They keep watching, and if he starts to blow it, they'll address it, as they should.  They won't fly off the handle hourly.  It's just not like them to do that.  They are positive people, and recognize in Trump a positive person.  They know he hasn't been lying.  Everyone should by now.

Then there's a group whose posts go something like this.  Yes, Trump has been great on this topic, but I just have to bring up the subject of "X" here, because I can't stand to give him kudos without offsetting them with a dig.  They insert issue 1-4 at will, even if issues 1-4 have nothing to do with the topic of the thread or not.  Then they wind up saying, but you know I really support Trump and think he's doing a wonderful job, and I want him to continue on like this.  This last part is so they can always claim to support him, even if they have made an unforced dig against him that is totally irrational when they did it.

Then there is the third group.  A few people will come on to a positive thread, and not even address the topic of the thread.  They raise issue 1-4 and trash him on that count.

Folks, everyone here should hold Trump's feet to the fire.  They just need to do it in a reasoned manner.  If it's the topic of the thread, address it rationally.  If it's not the topic of the thread, address the topic of the thread and other than that, shut up!  You're not introducing anything constructive.  You're just undercutting Trump.  Period.  Stop it!  This not Democrat Underground.

After a lifetime of pent up need for Conservatives to turn this nation back to the Right, we find that 128 days into the Trump administration, the Republicans had no game plan.  They didn't have any legislation waiting to be presented to Trump.  They have basically had 28 years to come up with "dream" legislation.  They have nothing!  Trump is therefore seeking to turn the nation back to the Right all by himself.

We have a House and Senate that are not helping Trump.  They are standing with arms folded.  When Trump comes under attack, they remain mute.  Democrats like Maxine Waters and many others tee off on Trump, demand his impeachment, and other things against him.  They criticize wildly and constantly.  They claim a Trump/Russian conspiracy and raise the impeachment word.  From the Republicans, NOTHING!  They don't do their jobs.  They don't defend their own team.

Trump has no help in the House or Senate.  He has no help in the MSM.  The WP, NYT, USA Today, and the WSJ are constantly attacking Trump, Trump's people, and Trump's policies.  These entities also support the BLM, a racist movement.  Then you have the blogosphere, which has gone mostly South.  There are a few places still decent, but not many.  Drudge is still pretty good.  The Conservative TreeHouse and Breitbart are still good.  That's about it folks.

Free Republic is a place that has traditionally supported Conservative ideals.  It's clientele (fondly knows as FReepers) remain as true to the Founder's intent, and Founding Principles as they can.  They advocate for Conservative Policy and those who talk those principles up and seek to implement them at every opportunity.  It is our goal to support them.

Interestingly enough, this last year we had one guy that has always struck people as Conservative.  He struck me as Conservative at first.  Then I dug deeper and I recognized a guy playing fast and loose with the comments, yet not close to the chest on votes.  His talk was pretty good, as it had always been, but some of his policies and votes were troubling.  During the campaign many folks saw chinks in his armor, and their support for him cracked, shattered, and fell away.  Those who failed to see his problems remained loyal to him.  At one point there was a NeverTrump movement, and for all intents and purposes, the candidate and many of his followers became NeverTrumpers.  Some will say he never adopted that stance himself, but failing to endorse at the convention and only provide token support post the convention, most of us saw a NeverTrumper in him.

Today, some of these people are the ones who feel compelled to insert criticism of Trump into non related threads.  It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.  After 128 days, these people have had a chance to observe Trump and judge who and what he is.  At this point, only a die-hard NeverTrumper could find fault with this man.  Some of us have grown tired of the anti-Trump carping.

Free Republic is one of the few places on the Internet that is full on supportive of Conservative values, and Conservative political figures.  It is a very good place to read news and comment on it.  It is not a place designed as a place where Conservatives can be attacked at will.  In light of Trump's clear wish to implement most of our political goals, the dedicated Conservatives on this site that want to see the nation move back toward the right, are determined to support Trump and give those who wish to unfairly attack him over and over again, a very tough time for doing it.

This forum is here to influence readers.  It is here for folks to read and reason out for themselves, what good policy is.  It is not here for them to find fellow travelers who despise Trump.  If Trump does something wrong, we want them to see a reasoned explanation why, and understand why it is reasoned.  Pot shots on unrelated threads do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to advance Conservatism.  They are solely DESTRUCTIVE.  This has to stop.

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To: DoughtyOne

Ditto


161 posted on 06/04/2017 6:47:50 AM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!Jesus is Lord)
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To: OPS4

“:^)


162 posted on 06/04/2017 11:54:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (May the Covfefe be with you...)
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To: European Guest
It is ironic you bash the only man that could save Europe and America, Donald Trump.

Trump is the only one that could stop Islam and China.

Europe will fall hard to Islam and to China as China will industrialize Europe. China is taking over the world economically as we speak.\

You all failed to elects Lepen which would have stopped the Islamic invasion of Europe. Islam is a cult. And no that is not racism as Islam is a religion not a race

163 posted on 06/05/2017 7:05:50 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Trump saved America from Hillary(socialism) risking it all to save America)
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To: Cementjungle
I understand the forces aligned against him (and against us). I realize it's going to take time to start to right the ship of state after so many years/decades of neglect.

This is the plain truth of the matter! With so many against him, it's a wonder he has gotten anything done.

164 posted on 06/07/2017 9:02:41 AM PDT by beachn4fun (When a crowd adopts a point of view en masse, all critical thinking stops...William Powers)
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To: PROCON; LUV W; GodBlessUSA; E.G.C.; Kathy in Alaska; left that other site

Worth a read.
Check this out and pass the word.


165 posted on 06/07/2017 9:07:44 AM PDT by beachn4fun (When a crowd adopts a point of view en masse, all critical thinking stops...William Powers)
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To: beachn4fun

BTTT


166 posted on 06/07/2017 9:51:04 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: European Guest

Well...Bless your heart...You don’t need us, want us or like us.
We haven’t cut ties to old friends...we want to be treated more fairly when deals re made.

I wish all good things for Europe...and may Russia and the Chinese and Iran never be rude to you.


167 posted on 06/07/2017 10:14:07 AM PDT by MEG33 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC***DONATE MONTHLY IF POSSIBLE)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well said...

Great thread.


168 posted on 06/07/2017 10:20:02 AM PDT by MEG33 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC***DONATE MONTHLY IF POSSIBLE)
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To: DoughtyOne

https://freerepublic.com/donate/
A new secure link has been installed...The old link does not work.

Thank you for encouraging donations.

MAGA


169 posted on 06/07/2017 10:56:13 AM PDT by MEG33 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC***DONATE MONTHLY IF POSSIBLE)
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To: jazusamo

https://freerepublic.com/donate/
A new secure link has been installed...The old link does not work.

Thank you for encouraging donations.

MAGA


170 posted on 06/07/2017 10:59:08 AM PDT by MEG33 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC***DONATE MONTHLY IF POSSIBLE)
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To: MEG33

Yes, I appreciate the new link.

It goes up on each of my posts after the update, but this was posted prior to that update.

Thank you for the reminder, and providing a new link for folks here.


171 posted on 06/07/2017 11:10:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (May the Covfefe be with you...)
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To: DoughtyOne

My pleasure.


172 posted on 06/07/2017 11:21:39 AM PDT by MEG33 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC***DONATE MONTHLY IF POSSIBLE)
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To: MEG33

“:^)


173 posted on 06/07/2017 11:25:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (May the Covfefe be with you...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thank you D1, a very good post, and one that expresses my own thoughts, opinions and persuasions.


174 posted on 06/07/2017 12:29:36 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea ((I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders))
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To: European Guest
Well, to me as an observer from the outside it seems a relief to you people that your new president is cutting all connections to the former friends of the US fast.

Trump is not cutting all connections to our long term allies.  

Quite the opposite, those long term allies want the U.S. to remain in an agreement that hinders the United States more than any other nation.  The United States has already paid into the Paris Agreement (a very large amount) thanks to our last presient that was essentially an enemy of the state (and termed that for a number of just reasons).  India and China?  They haven't paid in a dime yet.  This agreement not only made demands of the U.S. it didn't certain others, it also set up problems that would have hindered U.S. businesses competitively.  No thanks.

Then there is the issue of European nations not living up to their agreements under NATA to contribute 2% of their GDP toward self-defense.  The U.S. pays over 4% of it's GDP for this purpose, so we weren't asking for more than we would be willing to pay, or even as much as we would pay.  European nations agreed to pay less than half what we pay.  Then they didn't step up and do it.  Now the U.S. is judged by some people to be the bad guy.  No, it really isn't.


It is not the will to earn money or to have a fair distribution of the nato-burden. It is the harsh, rude and unpolite appearence of your politicians that will divorce us.

European nations have not lived up to their agreements to spend 2% of their GDP toward their self-defense for decades now.  European nations came up with the Paris Agreement that was designed to be very unfair to the U.S.  The U.S. called the European nations on both these things.  That is not being rude.  It is simply our presdient standing up for the United States, and properly so.  We have a right to have self-interest, and in neither of these things did the United States demand something unfair of the European nations.  However, the European nations were doing things unfair to the United States.  So who was being rude?

The outcome could be difficult for the US anyway. I think it will not pay out since the Europeans i.e. will increase their millitary spending, but not in the wishes of the US. They will spend it on further millitary integration in Europe itself (to get one nuclear equipped army in central Europe).  This could cost the US Ramstein as a base in the long run.

During the first half of the 20th Century, Europe melted down twice.  Each time the conflicts went global, and each time the United States sent over it's young men to die on your behalf.  Currently as explained above, the European nations are out of line on two matters.  The United States called them on it, and you seek to trash to U.S. for doing so.

Now you have even advanced the idea that you think it would be a grand idea to create a nuclear armed force in the European Union.  
Do you think the United States is going to come bail your asses out again, now that you are allowing people who are diametrically opposed to your culture, to swarm in and alter it?  And what happens when they have swamped your nations, and you have armed them with nuclear weapons?  What the heck are you folks thinking?

This in the shadow of agreements with old allies where these European nations refused to live up to their own agreements.  This in the shadow of them trying to set the United States up in a disadvantaged postion.  This in the shadow of an agreement to stop man made global warming, which has not been proven to date.  This is acknowledge as demands for such action are now done on the basis of "climate change" needing to be addressed, not "man made" global warming.

Over 31,000 scientists have signed on to a disagreeing position as it relates to man made global warming.  It isn't true.  LINK

Further, it is acknowledged that if every nation complied with this agreement, almost no noticable change would be realized over the life of the agreement.  Here is thread discussing it.  LINK

Why would any sane nation buy into this?

Let me ask you this.  If the United States were spending 0.5% of it's GNP towards it's own defence, and the European nations were spending 4% of their GDP on defense, which would cover the United States if it was attacked, would you think the U.S. was being a good global partner?  The answer is, "Of course not!"  You would demand the United States clean up it's act.  Why then, do you give Europe a free pass for doing the same thing in reverse?

As for the Paris Agreement, it made requirements on the U.S., and then almost none on India or China for the next 15 years.  So while India and China competes with the U.S. for global trade, the Paris agreement would have given these two nations a massive advantage.  Would you sit still and allow Europe to be treated that way?  Perhaps you would, because I'm sure European nations are expected to contribute to the Paris agreement a lot more than China or India are, and the trade policies would also put Europe at a disadvantage.  So why are you willing to hobble Europe, and give India and China a free pass?

What's more, why are you so angry at the United Statees for simply asking other nations to honor their agreements, and for refusing to be unfairly hampered by international agreements?


The Paris treaty will survive. Without the US.

So what you are saying, is that despite there not being a global warming calamity, despite the fact that full compliance with the Paris agreement will not achieve anything, you are hopeful that your nation will spend trillions of dollars on carbon redistribution scams to line the pockets of people like Al Gore.  IT IS A HOAX, and people are sucking Western nations dry.  Why are you suckering for all this.


Maybe someday we and others (like the Chinese and the Russians) simply put enviroment tariffs on US goods.

So what you are saying is this.  If the U.S. won't buy into the Paris agreement and submit to having trillions of dollars bilked out of it taxpayers, you will support the idea that they should be bilked instead through tariffs.  Gosh, with friends like you...

Imagine what vitriol you would be spewing if we hadn't prevented all of Europe from speaking German or Russian.


It is also possible that the successor of President Trump joins in again.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but Trump is going to be president for seven more years.  At the end of that seven years his policies will have worked so well, his vice-president will continue on for another eight years.  Enjoy rumenating over this for the next 15.5 years..

The exit made clear to most Europeans, that the current US-gouvernment is not reliable anymore. Pacta sunt servanda.

Those Europeans are free to think whatever they want.  They can come up with a massive reaction based on a false premise if they want.  I would urge them not to, but if they want to ostricise the United States while flooding their own nations with foreign nationals that will never become Westerized, then so be it.  When you need us to come back to help you again, I'll recommend against it.  If the time should arrise when we would need to, and it's only a matter of time watching what you are agreeing to do, then you will have proven that it's simply not worth it to bail out the decendends of our ancestry.  It will have been the third time we were called on to bail you out, and we did try to warn you.

Beside of this Europe will find new friends fast. The Chinese and the Russians starve for the technology that is only available in contemporary Europe.

So you're saying you're not satisfied with flooding your nations with Muslim individuals, knowing they will never leave Islam, and the Islamic religion considers Christians infidels, and will not give up until there are no Christians, and the judeo-Christian laws systems of the West are overturned and replaced with Sharia law.  Whether you know it or not, this has already begun, as certain neighborhoods have been given the right to implement Sharia Courts and take a bass on the Western Judicial system.

While you may be thinking that's no big deal, let's discuss what Sharia courts believe.  They believe that women are the property of men.  They believe that women should not get an education.  They beleive that young girls pre ten years old are deserving of being give to old men as wives.  They agree that women who are raped are deserving of being stoned.  They agree that it is desired for young girls to have their genitalia surgically butchered.

Once these Sharia areas are established, and the regions where they are observed expand, guess what type of law you will eventually face?  It won't be judeo-Christian coursts.  It will be Sharia courts.  In those courts, Islam rules and Chritians have no rights.


No, this isn't bad enough, you want to open your doors to the Russians and China.

You wish to hitch your waggon to the folks who absorbed Crimea, invaded the Ukrain, and rolled tanks over their college age kids in Taienenman.

About all there is left to do, is simply shake my head.

You folks learned absolutely nothing from history.

Even you guys are not able to win the technical competition against the big European industrial trusts in the meantime, since your country and the UK were widely deindustrialized while in central Europe all big industrial players survived. The US can produce some up-to-date millitary BS...

Sorry, I realize you were in the middle of what you thought was a sane tirade, but I needed to jump in to remind you of some things.  The up to date military B.S. we have paid for, was in large part to take on war efforts so you would not have to.  The U.S. wasn't on the front lines of Europe.  You were.  It wasn't the only naton that benefitted from wars in the Middle-East.  While you sit there typing paragraph after paragraph of bilge, you have no idea how much of a free-loader you have been for over 70 years.  To this point, you not only don't realize it, but you're also poised to trash the nation that went around the world putting out hot spots while your nations spend their funds domestically.  Instead of you realizing why they could get away with it, and thank us, you sit there preaching to us about insulting behavior.  You haven't a single clue do you.

...but all other products are somehow outdated (except of the I-phone)... No one buys US-washers, US-cars, US-steel, US-ships, US-machines, US-fridges or whatever else since most of those products are simply not competitive anymore.

Where do you think China got the technology to produce some of these things?  Europe?  LMAO  U.S. corporations went to China, and started up production there.  Many of the items we buy in the United States, and are also shipped around the world, are the products produced with our technology.  You really don't know very much do you.

As for U.S. vehicles, you didn't even know that U.S. automobile plants exist in Europe, and we are selling vehicles there.  Why should I have to remind you of that?


They need too much energy, are not convenient enough, are too expensive and produce too much carbon dioxide. It is simply not enough to sell weapons to barbarians in Saudi Arabia. You will fall hard.

So much moronic trash-talk, so little time...

We buy products made in China by choice.  We don't make a number of things here anymore, and many of us are not happy about it.  None the less, fact are facts, and the items you address are coming from China and are in many cases great energy saving devices.  If we don't have to use energy, what do you think that accomplishes?  Oh yes, it achieves clean air.  DUH!  As for carbon dioxide, we have made great advances since the 1960s and 70s.  Our cities that used to have over 200 smog alert days per year based on foul air, now have perhaps 1 to 3 such days per year.

It's not enough to spew what you're spewing, you should touch on reality once in a while.
 Read something besides the socialist digest once in a while.

What you're spewing here has very little to do with reality.  It is pure propaganda.  You've been taken in.


You Americans put “America first”. This is okay.

Gee thanks.  As if we needed your permission.  The fact is though, it's not okay with you at all.  You wanted us to accept situations that were not reasoned.  Sorry, that just isn't going to happen.  And no, I guess I'm not really sorry.  I'm damned happy about it.

But we will always put “Europe first” although we do not shout it out as unpolitely as some people in the US. We simply do it smarter.

Like allowing a Sharia observing region of people to relocate into your nation.  That's what you consider "Europe First"?  Good grief.  Why did we bother rescuing your sorry asses?

Since the US is under 10% of our foreign sale a drop out will hurt but not killl us. America is on the decline anyway since a long time. We are not impressed.

On January 1st, 2015, the EU had a population of 508.2 million people.  LINK  During 2014 it achieved 23.8% of the global GDP.  LINK
On January 1st, 2015, the US had a population of 320.1 million people.  LINK  During 2014 it achieved 22.2% of the global GDP.  LINK


With a populace that was 37% larger than the populace of the United States at the end of 2014, the EU achieved a GDP that was 6.7% larger in 2014.

If we evaluate the GDP on a per capita basis, for each citizen of the EU vs the US, the EU would put out 1 unit toward their GDP, while the US citizen would put out 1.48 toward the US GDP.

I must have misunderstood you.  Were you trying to put down a nation whose citizens contribute almost half again as much to their nation's GDP, as citizens of the EU do towards their GDP?


Regards from Europe

Regards?  LOL  More like, disrespect...

Andreas

(After this I’ll probably be zotted away - but it had to be said. Sorry.)


175 posted on 06/07/2017 3:48:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (May the Covfefe be with you...)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Thank you. I appreciate it.


176 posted on 06/07/2017 3:51:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (May the Covfefe be with you...)
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To: European Guest
73 years ago we sent thousands of our men to their death or permanent injury by landing at Normandy to establish a beachhead and free Europe.

Yesterday one jihadi terrorist gripped all of Paris in terror because he killed a police officer with a hammer.........and Europe will become a military power we will have to worry about? You cannot contribute 2% of your GDP to NATO that has guarded you for more near 3/4 of a century, but will suddenly be able to create a formidable and cohesive defense? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It is simply not enough to sell weapons to barbarians in Saudi Arabia.

And yet, you import them from Syria, Tunisia, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, and on and on. They murder and rape your women and you lack the testicular fortitude to even tell the truth about it, let alone to fight it.

Imagine if the Nazis or later the Soviets had merely claimed they wished to be refugees whilst they killed you from the inside out.

You exist because our grace and kindness has allowed it so. You exist because we decreed our blood and treasure was worth your existence. You have lived in a bubble of security, relatively safe from outside aggression because we have instituted the PAX AMERICANA. Rather than spend on your own defense you have chosen to increase your welfare state and throw open your doors to those who wish to destroy you.

All that we have asked for in return is equitable trade parameters and you bitch and howl. You devised the "Paris Treaty," to which our Senate never ratified and never consented. You expected to bilk billions and billions as penalty for our industry......which you claim is declining anyhow, and would mean decreased carbon emissions (why tax and discourage something already fading to nonexistence?)?! - Your diametrically opposed arguments reveal the intent of your scam and the depth of your "friendship."

Fair-weather friends are thee, and your threats are dreadful......we're all shaking like frenchmen in combat.......

177 posted on 06/07/2017 4:51:19 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Uh well. WWII is over. The US base in Ramstein consists of cargo planes and a hospital. Nothing that could impress us.

If it was your kindness and grace that let survive us you made a bad deal since nobody here seems to be your real friend. We obviously do not like each other. We would have even survived without you under Soviet (they won WWII with their blood btw.) reign.


178 posted on 06/25/2017 7:34:13 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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To: European Guest
We would have even survived without you under Soviet (they won WWII with their blood btw.) reign.

Sure......the purges would've been wonderful for you. And, let's not forget about the Soviet engineered famines, those would've been great for you too.

If it was your kindness and grace that let survive us you made a bad deal since nobody here seems to be your real friend.

I agree - we have a history of making bad deals such as the Marshall Plan. We should leave europe to europe.

And, the next time you get around to slaughtering each other we should just sit back and crack a cold one, and smile.

179 posted on 06/25/2017 7:51:50 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: European Guest

I nominate post 178 as Stupid Post Of The Month


180 posted on 06/25/2017 7:55:23 AM PDT by samtheman (FAIL = FAIL Always Involves Liberalism)
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