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Supreme Court Deals Blow to Property Rights
Reason ^ | 6/23/17 | Eric Boehm

Posted on 06/23/2017 2:20:20 PM PDT by Sopater

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To: samtheman

The LIABILITY comes from the lawsuit filed by the Murr’s against the state and county.


Those regulations effectively gutted the value of the Murrs’ property. The property was appraised at $400,000 before the Murrs tried to sell it. When the family came to the county, now the only eligible buyer, the county offered $40,000.

The Murrs filed a lawsuit against the state and county, arguing that they should be compensated for the lost value of the property, arguing the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees governments must compensate property owners when land is seized or otherwise made un-useful for public purposes.


So to try and avoid the lawsuit or large payouts, the government said they could sell both the properties, not just one.


81 posted on 06/23/2017 6:24:02 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: daler

The republicans are such willing accomplices.


82 posted on 06/23/2017 6:26:04 PM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: chaosagent

“The property was appraised at $400,000 before the Murrs tried to sell it.”

One of the many fake facts in the article.


83 posted on 06/23/2017 6:33:11 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Sopater

Elect no more female SCOTUS judges. They do not think.

Wait a few decades before more female judges.

A 50/50 female male SCOTUS would be devastating.
Women socialize thought, sadly.


84 posted on 06/23/2017 6:49:15 PM PDT by TheNext (SLOW FUND Wall = Trump 2020 Trump Jr 2024 Eric 2032)
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To: Sopater

Disappointed that you post an article full of errors instead of posting the actual decision...


85 posted on 06/23/2017 7:06:20 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Hostage

I believe the reason Gorsuch did not participate is because he was not on the court yet when the issue was argued before the court by each side.


86 posted on 06/23/2017 7:12:46 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation ("You can't fix America without pissing off the people who broke it".....Bill Mitchell)
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To: BenLurkin

It is an exception that the plaintiff is forced to take a lower price than market. My job at one time included evaluation of the cost of “making someone whole.”

Most often this would include such costs as providing a renter with suitable housing if they were forced to move.
This meant providing the tenant with comparable housing. But the standard was “suitable” housing which meant that the house/apt into which they moved had to meet minimum federal standards of suitable.

Hence, a family of 6 in a two bedroom house would move into
a 5 or 6 room house since children could not share a bedroom.

There are other ripoffs of the government. About 50 yrs ago I was urban renewed out in Chicago and got 3 grand for my trouble. Since I was a college student at the time it probably cost me two hundred dollars, if the robbery of the last night there, is not counted.

Too bad the subject in this suit did not sell when the price was alleged to be 400,000. It would also be interesting to know what value the country was using to calculate the taxes paid at the last payment. Are they going to reduce the taxes to those applicable to 40gs?

Many of these cases along the waters become subject to the Clean Water Act and its discharge permit requirements which often means a septic field cannot be used so the area must be sewered. This is terribly expensive since generally few hook-ups per mile of sewer means the owners get hit with hook-up fees in the thousands of dollars.


87 posted on 06/23/2017 7:32:21 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com)
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To: BenLurkin

Because it was never appraised at $400know...


88 posted on 06/23/2017 7:33:33 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Actually, it all started with the feds ...


89 posted on 06/23/2017 7:53:35 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

So how much was it appraised for?


90 posted on 06/23/2017 7:55:27 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Teacher317

The knew the restrictions when they got it.


91 posted on 06/23/2017 7:56:49 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: sergeantdave

“right to subdivide.”

Most every municipality puts restrictions on sub-dividing.


92 posted on 06/23/2017 7:58:57 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Enchante

Actually, the same restrictions the are fighting made their other lot more valuable. These people want it both ways.


93 posted on 06/23/2017 8:01:11 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: chaosagent

$40,000.


94 posted on 06/23/2017 8:36:15 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: chaosagent

“Considering the valuation of the property as a single lot versus two
separate lots, the court found the market value of the
property was not significantly affected by the regulations
because the decrease in value was less than 10 percent.”


95 posted on 06/23/2017 8:43:40 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Those regulations effectively gutted the value of the Murrs’ property. The property was appraised at $400,000 before the Murrs tried to sell it. When the family came to the county, now the only eligible buyer, the county offered $40,000.


The property was appraised at $400,000 before it was discovered that because of regs put in place 20 years after they bought the two lots, the only legal buyer, the county, offered them only $40,000, take it or leave it.


96 posted on 06/23/2017 9:39:34 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: TexasGator

So dropping the worth of one lot from $400,000 to $40,000 isn’t a taking.

And the market value they’re talking about is after devaluation due to the ‘new’ rules.


97 posted on 06/23/2017 9:45:24 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent

“The property was appraised at $400,000 before it was discovered that because of regs put in place 20 years after they bought the two lots, “

It was appraised at $40k, not $400k. The regs were put in place AFTER they obtained the lots.


98 posted on 06/23/2017 9:47:10 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: chaosagent

“So dropping the worth of one lot from $400,000 to $40,000 isn’t a taking.”

It was never worth $400,000.

“And the market value they’re talking about is after devaluation due to the ‘new’ rules.”

The ‘new’ rules were put in place over 30 years ago! Besides, the ‘new’ rules probably increased the value of the improved lot and the value of the two lots considered together.


99 posted on 06/23/2017 9:49:37 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: chaosagent

“So dropping the worth of one lot from $400,000 to $40,000 isn’t a taking.”

They can sell the two similar lots together for almost $700k. The building is almost worthless.


100 posted on 06/23/2017 9:52:52 PM PDT by TexasGator
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