Posted on 06/23/2017 4:29:26 PM PDT by George - the Other
No, by winning we mean that statists like you are being denied the right to supplant parental authority in medical decision making for children.
Just as the AAP relies on a fraudulent gun study (Kellerman) to justify their anti-gun position, the vaccine pushers have zero long-term, double blind studies on safety or efficacy to justify approval on the shots.
Anyone with the interest can look up deaths from diseases supposedly eradicated by vaccines, and see that 90-95% of the decrease in deaths had occurred prior to the introduction of the particular vaccination. That the vaccine pushers attribute those improvements to vaccination is a big indication of the deception in their position.
When it comes to public health, the Supreme Court made a decision long before my grandmother was born, stating that the state can, in fact, compel the use of vaccines in the interest of public health: Jacobson v. Massachusetts
Even if your refusal to protect your children affected no one other than your own children, I have my doubts as to the legal tolerance regarding such action. Children have, in fact, been removed from parents who refuse to provide them with adequate medical care. I think that the reason behind the state interceding in these situations is that the children are not your property but are, in fact, human beings. They are too immature to make their own decisions, but if they were intellectually and emotionally capable of doing so on a rational basis, they would choose to have the medical care that is most conducive to good health. Thus, although you are free to refuse medical care, you cannot refuse your children's medical care.
BTW, the anti-vax "statistics" that purportedly show that deaths from these diseases dropped before vaccines were introduced are bogus. Good sanitation did not change the pathogenicity of microorganisms, their mode of transmission, or anything else about their biology. While it is true that providing supportive care helps some patients pull through diseases that would otherwise kill them, supportive care has no impact on the number of people who acquire the disease. Furthermore, there is no rational argument for spending tens of thousands of dollars and tying up other medical resources to try to save the life of someone afflicted with a disease that can be prevented with a $20 vaccine.
I agree with you.
The legal system in 48/50 states, at last count, provide a mechanism for conscience exemption to vaccination. So your shrill attack on the rights of parents who choose to exercise those exemptions is not a position shared by the majority of our elected state representatives.
The people who share your view are virtually all Democrats: Hillary, Bernie etc.
The reality is that your apocalyptic vision of all of dying from childhood diseases, unless we bow to your sacred cow of vaccination is not supported by history or science. Non-vaccinated children are far healthier than vaccinated children, in part because their parents are on average better educated and more focused on real health promotion, but also because their fragile immune systems have not been assaulted by the toxic coctails alleged to be “safe”. Our unvaccinated children, by some surveys, have 20% of the allergies, autism, JD that vaccinated children have.
Let me say flat out that you are a LIAR. You have lied before about the presence of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, you are lying about the history of deaths from illnesses purported to be “vaccine-preventable”. You people lie about the safety of vaccines ingredients. You lie about the existence of long-term safety studies. AND YOU PERSONALLY PROFIT FROM YOUR DISHONESTY.
Oh, and your fellow travelers lie about guns using fake studies...did I mention that?
“Ex-Dem” my @ss. You are a shill for an industry that is destroying our children, and your statist views are no different than Bernie, antifa, or any other “progressive” hard left organization. It is people like you who make me so thankful that we have a 2A.
In regards to Court cases, the Supreme Court does not make law. PERIOD. And the supreme Court also legalized baby murder, defended slavery etc. Did the supreme Court do anything while eugenics was policy in 30+ states? LSD trials? Infecting black people with syphilis?
The AMA used to promote cigarette smoking! LOL.
Funny that eugenics, abortion, and mandatory vaccination all have racist components, in addition to population control and $$$.
Good point.
Bravo. Excellent post!
My refusal to repeat anti-vax propaganda (half-truths and outright lies) does not, in fact, make me a liar.
And calling me a shill to attempt to discredit me? Even if I worked in the pharmaceutical industry, how would that discredit me? I suppose it does not occur to you that people who work within the industry by necessity must be experts in the subject. All I do is analyze the industry and its products (at least, those related to prevention and treatment of infectious disease).
And since my interest is in public health, there is absolutely no way that you can try to bully or intimidate me out of promoting public health. That is just not going to happen.
You are not promoting “public health”. You are promoting an irresponsible, mandatory, toxic, one-size-fits all (allegedly) medical approach which is not treatment.
You support removing children from their parents effectively at gunpoint, if they resist your unproven snake oil. Which other God-given parental rights you object to, one is left to wonder.
If a constitutional amendment were proposed tomorrow, guaranteeing the right of all individuals to freely contract with the person of their choice for treatment, medical or otherwise, you would be opposed. You’ve said as much, by posting in support of a Court ruling which you say mandates forced vaccination of children.
If you consider it bullying to point out that you are a statist radical, well that’s too bad snowflake.
“The AMA used to promote cigarette smoking! LOL.”
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Really? How and when did they do that?
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google it. JAMA used to feature cigarette adverts. You can watch YouTube of old TV commercials such as the one for Camels (”more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette”)
I know they ran paid ads in the journals but that doesn’t mean they were promoting smoking——they were accepting money for printing an ad that paid some of the costs that went into printing the journal.
TV ads again,were just ads that had nothing to do with the AMA.
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They aren’t going to run ads for things they disagree with
If a constitutional amendment were proposed tomorrow, guaranteeing the right of all individuals to freely contract with the person of their choice for treatment, medical or otherwise, you would be opposed. You’ve said as much, by posting in support of a Court ruling which you say mandates forced vaccination of children.
Your hyperbole ranks right up there with the Democrat hyperbole about Trump/Russia, the GOP health plan will kill millions, 98 million people per day die of gunshot wounds, etc.
You are demonstrating bullying behavior by telling lies that have nothing to do with anything I've said, and by calling me names.
You, personally, are impervious to all logic and reason; you obviously have no understanding of medical science and reject any facts and evidence that do not fit into your quite elaborate conspiratorial narrative. I do not go to the effort of posting facts, evidence, and statistics because I am hoping to convince you--I already know that you are unreachable. I go to the trouble of posting because of people who may not be aware of all the facts and who may be confused by the anti-science rhetoric. And since this thread is no longer on the front page, it is not worth my time to debunk all of your lies. I'll save that for the next anti-science article that someone posts.
You’re confusing vaccination with public sanitation as the cause for reduction of disease. Even a cursory review of any of these subjects shows the role played by sanitation and later anti-biotics -not vaccination, in reducing disease rates. This has been known for over 50 years. The propaganda is from the vaxxers to justify forced vaccination.
There is no "one-size-fits-all" approach to controlling disease. In order to prevent disease, you must first understand how it is spread.
Measles spreads by aerosols. A person can enter a room two or three hours after an infected person has left the room and be exposed to sufficient viral particles to become infected. Measles has also been transmitted to people in adjacent aisles of a supermarket, because the virus travels on air currents. In addition to its incredibly efficient mode of transmission, measles is contagious before symptoms appear--so you can't protect yourself by avoiding sick people. Furthermore, no amount of sanitation can prevent people from getting measles because of its mode of transmission. The only way to prevent measles is to be vaccinated.
Rabies may be the most deadly disease known, yet few people are vaccinated for it. That is because it is only transmitted through direct contact, and vaccinating our pets is sufficient to prevent all but a handful of rabies cases (in the US; it still kills thousands per year in other countries).
And so on.
Antibiotics do not work against viruses. And antibiotics are not a certain cure for bacteria. Furthermore, bacteria are becoming resistant to antibiotics faster than we can invent new antibiotics. This is a huge problem, a major public health issue.
The bottom line is that no single line of defense will protect from deadly diseases. It takes multiple efforts--vaccination, washing hands, consuming microbiologically safe food, etc. And it is a fact that controlling disease is the *only* reason most children actually live to adulthood today, and is the biggest factor in the fact that the average lifespan has more than doubled since the 1800s.
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