Every time the EMP question comes up, a few on FR post penetrating comments like "bullsh*t" or "nonsense". If you don't believe an emp is possible or even a threat I would like to hear some arguments that go beyond this.
Yes there come be tell us something new.
Uncle Joe Biden assured us the Nokos would never get a delivery system for their nukes.
The USA and Russia have tested EMP weapons, perhaps we should ask them if the weapon is a serious threat to a large part of the country.
The Ten Ton Gorilla in the room is the thought that everyone has in the back of their mind.
If a nuclear strike is inevitable where should it be?
The article is yet another handy summation of how badly bobo intentionally botched foreign policy ... Here was a criminal negligence of a criminal regime , solely in order to facilitate another (repeat) cringe moment - the clinking of champagne glasses between cankles and yung fat, with the actual (planned) winner being china.
I’m holding out for comment from Mac Slavo before moving into the underground bunker.
Because no one has a firmer grasp on the vagaries of a rogue nuclear weapons program than an ex-snakeeater.
First time I saw a program on EMPs was 1979. Have they ever been used? Anywhere? Typically, there is a test run. Think German role in the Spanish Civil War. At least I have a nice Astra 400 to commemorate that one.
I understand the theory behind EMPs, but find it difficult to believe they have not been employed to date, if viable on a large scale.
I’d say very, very low odds of an attack by the NORKs.
High odds of an attack by the muslims.
I believe NK will have the ability to lob a nuke at the US. Just what would be the US response were this to happen? What does Kim think our response would be?
They could probably reach Alaska, and besides severely impacting the Alaskans, it could disrupt oil flows and create global economic upheaval.
However, I think the Norks make more hay out of threatening.
Sending a nuke would be game over for them (i.e., retaliation, no extorted goodies from the civilized world, etc.), so that would only be an endgame, not an opening gambit.
From what I understand the attack would not need an ICBM, just a missile in a cargo container on a freighter off the US coast. Launch to about 300 km over the center of the US would shut down everything.
In July 1962, the US carried out the Starfish Prime test, exploding a 1.44 megaton bomb 400 kilometres (250 mi) above the mid-Pacific Ocean. This demonstrated that the effects of a high-altitude nuclear explosion were much larger than had been previously calculated. Starfish Prime made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a microwave link/
Starfish Prime was the first success in the series of United States high-altitude nuclear tests in 1962 known as Operation Fishbowl. Subsequent tests gathered more data on the high-altitude EMP phenomenon.
The Bluegill Triple Prime and Kingfish high-altitude nuclear tests of October and November 1962 in Operation Fishbowl provided data that was clear enough to enable physicists to accurately identify the physical mechanisms behind the electromagnetic pulses.
The EMP damage of the Starfish Prime test was quickly repaired due, in part, to the fact that the EMP over Hawaii was relatively weak compared to what could be produced over the northern U.S. with a more intense pulse, and in part due to the relative ruggedness (compared to today) of Hawaii’s electrical and electronic infrastructure in 1962.
The relatively small magnitude of the Starfish Prime EMP in Hawaii (about 5.6 kilovolts/metre) and the relatively small amount of damage (for example, only 1 to 3 percent of streetlights extinguished)[11] led some scientists to believe, in the early days of EMP research, that the problem might not be significant. Newer calculations showed that if the Starfish Prime warhead had been detonated over the northern continental United States, the magnitude of the EMP would have been much larger (22 to 30 kV/m) because of the greater strength of the Earth’s magnetic field over the United States, as well as its different orientation at high latitudes. These calculations, combined with the accelerating reliance on EMP-sensitive microelectronics, heightened awareness that EMP could be a significant problem.
In 1962, the Soviet Union also performed three EMP-producing nuclear tests in space over Kazakhstan, the last in the “Soviet Project K nuclear tests”. Although these weapons were much smaller (300 kiloton) than the Starfish Prime test, they were over a populated, large land mass and at a location where the Earth’s magnetic field was greater; the damage caused by the resulting EMP was reportedly much greater than in Starfish Prime. The geomagnetic storm–like E3 pulse from Test 184 induced a current surge in a long underground power line that caused a fire in the power plant in the city of Karaganda.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the level of this damage was communicated informally to U.S. scientists.[13] After the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, there was a period of a few years of cooperation between United States and Russian scientists on the HEMP phenomenon. In addition, funding was secured to enable Russian scientists to formally report on some of the Soviet EMP results in international scientific journals. As a result, formal documentation of some of the EMP damage in Kazakhstan exists but is still sparse in the open scientific literature, especially in relation to the level of damage that was indicated in the open reports.
For one of the K Project tests, Soviet scientists instrumented a 570-kilometer (350 mi) section of telephone line in the area that they expected to be affected by the pulse. The monitored telephone line was divided into sub-lines of 40 to 80 kilometres (25 to 50 mi) in length, separated by repeaters. Each sub-line was protected by fuses and by gas-filled overvoltage protectors. The EMP from the 22 October (K-3) nuclear test (also known as Test 184) blew all of the fuses and fired all of the overvoltage protectors in all of the sub-lines.
Published reports, including a 1998 IEEE article, have stated that there were significant problems with ceramic insulators on overhead electrical power lines during the tests. A 2010 technical report written for Oak Ridge National Laboratory stated that “Power line insulators were damaged, resulting in a short circuit on the line and some lines detaching from the poles and falling to the ground
And this all occurred 55 years ago when we were much less dependent on electronic interconnection, and circuits were much more robust than they are now, (the smaller the electronic device, i.e. computing chips, the more susceptible to EMP they are, from a detonation 900 over the horizon.
In 2017, detonate a 1 MT device in a satellite 150 miles over central New jersey, and everything from Boston to Richmond, VA is fried. No computers, ATMs, cars, trains, telephones, TV, traffic lights, power grids, etc, work.
Yes, it is that bad a problem. That’s why the US, Russia, and the PRC need to work together to stop the NORK nuc program NOW!
NK has of course not much to lose but China has an enormous amount they could lose from such a scenario. How much China controlls NK is up for debate but a nuclear strike on the US would be very uh consequential.
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I make make up stupid statements too
The NK’s won’t launch it. They’d use a surrogate to do it (radical islamist mooselimbs). You gotta’ think, what do the NK’s think would happen to them if they did launch against us? North Korea would be a giant sea of glass....
>>Every time the EMP question comes up, a few on FR post penetrating comments like “bullsh*t” or “nonsense”. If you don’t believe an emp is possible or even a threat I would like to hear some arguments that go beyond this.
No serious person says that EMP is nonsense, because it is real. The BS is the Forstchen “One Second After” scenario where the EMP is 100% effective and ends civilization across the entire American continent.
SHTF Plan is hardcore doom porn. Zero Hedge is softcore doom porn. Been following both for years and cant remember the last time either accurately predicated anything.
“If you don’t believe an emp is possible or even a threat I would like to hear some arguments that go beyond this.”
Science doesn’t work that way.
Why don’t you prove that it is possible instead of coming up with some childish fantasy then demanding others prove you wrong.
Three paragraphs into the story and the article had yet to present any evidence of the title’s claim.
Total clickbait crap typically found on such as subject as EMP.
What the hell would a ground pounder like a green beret know of the science and capabilities as nuclear weapons and delivery systems? Nothing, that’s what. Just another drama queen looking for attention to make money.
Bill Clinton also created a monster by selling missile secrets to China and giving them favored nation trading status, thereby allowing them to make hundreds of billions of dollars selling us inferior, horrid and at times, products designed to poison us. They could now attempt destroy us using our technology and money. Thanks Bill, you communist loving scum bag.
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-27/news/mn-62877_1_human-rights