Posted on 07/19/2017 6:01:00 AM PDT by rktman
America totally abolished slavery throughout all of America in less than eighty years.
Rather than celebrate the 150 years without slavery some malcontents celebrate the 80 years of slavery by picking at the scar of a healing wound.
Booker T. Washington, who rose from slavery to become the nation’s first widely recognized black leader, once warned against what he called "problem profiteers" among our nation’s black community. "
There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public," observed Washington. "Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."
Without that loophole it would be unconstitutional to jail anyone.
What is unique about America isn't that slavery was once practiced here -- throughout recorded human history slavery has existed in most countries of the world even including Africa and often on a far larger scale.
What is unique about America is that Americans -- including former slaveholders -- fought and died to free the slaves.
Anyone who quotes someone who abandoned his family on a train he believed would be attacked really has little to say about morality.
I can tell you that my great-grandmother would gladly have exchanged her condition for that of a Southern Slave.
Southern slaves were cared for when they were young and when they were old. Southern slaves were provided food, clothing and shelter. They were paid, and they were given a sabbath day of rest. I guess you could say my great-grandmother got shelter until she was exterminated.
Maybe next time you should think about quoting Aristotle?
ML/NJ
The only ‘loophole’ I know of the 16th.
Course, govt/courts don’t count WELFARE when it comes to the 5th/13th either...
But, when you have cases based on a moved goal-line (*), why does anyone expect anything less??
(*) See O’Care. Based on the idea that govt can tax (never in contention), not on ‘does govt have the AUTHORITY to tax for XYZ’. So, of COURSE you’re going to lose when you start at step 20 instead of from ‘GO’.
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Kinda like income taxes, ain’t it? You get to keep only part of what you produce.
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Not only that, but one gets to support OTHERS w/o any say in the process.
Be that the welfare queens, crony Capitalism, foreign aid, and number of illegal\unconstitutional alphabet-agencies, etc.
I didn't. I quoted Abraham Lincoln.
I can tell you that my great-grandmother would gladly have exchanged her condition for that of a Southern Slave...I guess you could say my great-grandmother got shelter until she was exterminated.
Well given a choice between a death camp and slavery then the choice becomes easier. Likewise a choice between falling into an erupting volcano and slavery, being eaten by a shark and slavery, etc., etc. But that's hardly a realistic choice, is it? Let's back it up a bit, given a choice between being free and being a slave which do you think your grandmother would have chosen?
Southern slaves were cared for when they were young and when they were old. Southern slaves were provided food, clothing and shelter. They were paid, and they were given a sabbath day of rest
Leaving aside the exaggerations for a moment, is that all it would have taken for you to have jumped at the chance to be a slave in the antebellum South? Nice Massa, free food, and Sundays off?
Leaving aside the exaggerations for a moment, is that all it would have taken for you to have jumped at the chance to be a slave in the antebellum South? Nice Massa, free food, and Sundays off?
leave him alone...he’s working on his dissertation detailing how the Morrill Tariff caused the Confederate states to secede, leading to the Yankee War of Aggression...oh wait, seven of the eleven states seceded prior to the tariff, or it would have been defeated in Congress...well, never mind...
You need to read history more carefully. If I just told you to look up Baltimore plot at Wikipedia, you would have to do some reading between the lines to understand. But teaching.msa.maryland.gov makes it a little clearer:
On the afternoon of February 23rd, Lincoln's schedule train arrived in Baltimore. The large crowd that gathered at the station to see the President-elect quickly learned that Lincoln had already passed by and had to be content with viewing Mary Todd Lincoln, her sonsIt's sort of interesting to browse through the Lincoln biographies at a library and look up Baltimore Plot in each index. You won't find it in most cases unless it's a biography of Mary Todd.
And BTW, "Honest Abe" stood up Mary and all the guests at their scheduled wedding. The didn't get married until (I think about) two years later. Nice guy. Great moral compass. Read Lincoln, The Man by Edgar Lee Masters for more. (But even ELM omits the Baltimore Plot.)
Nice Massa, free food, and Sundays off?
I'm quite sure I would rather have been Mr. Jefferson's slave than a coal miner on west Virginia.
ML/NJ
Actually if you read biographers like David Herbert Donald, Ronald White, and Doris Kearns Goodwin you can find Lincoln's trip to D.C. described in considerable detail. And all of them state that Lincoln was safely in D.C. before Mary Todd Lincoln and the children even boarded the train. And he his presence in Washington was well known since he traveled about in an open carriage long before Mrs. Lincoln reached Baltimore. So your claim that Lincoln abandoned his family on a train he believed was about to be attacked in not supported by any serious biographers.
I'm quite sure I would rather have been Mr. Jefferson's slave than a coal miner on west Virginia.
The coal miner's existence may have been pretty grim at times but he didn't have to worry about being sold...or his wife being sold...or his children being sold. His children could aspire to a life far better than their father's - and our history is filled with such examples - while the children of Jefferson's slaves could only look forward to being slaves themselves. But if you would prefer life as Jefferson's chattel then that's your choice. You seem to value freedom very little, if at all, if you're willing to trade it away for such a pittance as food, no beatings, and a day off.
You seem to value freedom very little
"Are birds free from the chains of the sky-way?"
Baseball players are bought and sold. They seem to survive. I'm sure there are more Black kids percentage-wise today who never saw their father than in the old South. As for "slaves could only look forward to being slaves themselves," you seem to be unaware that many purchased their own freedom. (Gee. Where'd they get that money from?) I'm not suggesting that all was sweetness and light for Southern slaves but things were not quite so bad as in an abolitionist's novel. Mr. Jefferson sent for Sally Hemings while he was living in Paris. Hemings lived there for two years where she was quite free yet she chose to return to Monticello. You might wonder why.
ML/NJ
Post from 2006? Long before my time here.
Baseball players are bought and sold. They seem to survive.
So you are actually comparing the contracts of sports stars with chattel slavery of the 19th century? Really?
As for "slaves could only look forward to being slaves themselves," you seem to be unaware that many purchased their own freedom. (Gee. Where'd they get that money from?)
How many, as a percentage of the total slave population?
I'm not suggesting that all was sweetness and light for Southern slaves but things were not quite so bad as in an abolitionist's novel.
Sure you are. Taken care of cradle to grave, wages, Sunday's off. Heck, who wouldn't want to be a slave with a lifestyle like that. Or so you would have us believe.
Ants take slaves.
What, so it's not relevant?
How many, as a percentage of the total slave population?
You could have Googled just as I just did.
7.5: Percentage of all free blacks in the United States in 1830 who owned slaves. (Source)The "Source" is the same for both statistics. It says12: Percentage of all free blacks in Virginia in 1830 who owned slaves. (Source)
The 1830 U.S. census shows 3,776 free black slaveholders—or about 7.5 percent of all free blacks—owning a total of 12,907 slaves. In Virginia, 12 percent of all free blacks owned slaves, which translates into 950 heads of black families owning 2,235 slaves. In Jones's fictional Manchester County, there are "thirty-four free black families … and eight of those free families owned slaves." That's nearly a quarter of all free African American families owning slaves, but Pressly argues that this is not inaccurate. Although for the entire state the rate is 12 percent, if "that state statistic is broken down further, it turns out that in several Virginia counties, free black slaveowners reached 25 percent or more of the free black heads of families. Thus Jones's Manchester County is well within general range."This comes from: https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Known_World_The_2003.
I notice you at nothing to say about the choice Sally Hemings made.
ML/NJ
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