[usconservative]

And that’s a good thing, because socializing healthcare is the only demonstrably effective way to control costs and cover everyone. It results in a healthier country and it saves a ton of money.

Don't have to read any further. Just look north to Canada to see how they excessively tax alcohol as one example to "control costs, cover everyone" and "save a ton of money."

Try buying a case of beer in Canada and see how much one pays as compared to here in America.

All those taxes on beer? That's to pay for their healthcare.

All the taxes on income? To pay for their healthcare.

And that list goes on, and on, and on!

Anyone who thinks socialized medicine is effective needs to simply look across the pond at a 11 month old child that was DENIED life-saving treatment early on and was condemned to death in the UK by the NHS.

Charlie Gard, The Face of Socialized Medicine.

[Buckeye McFrog]

To their credit most Canadians I have met have been honest enough to admit that their health care is not “free”. They pay enormous taxes for it.

[Jim Noble]

Charlie Gard, and more so his parents, were treated abominably by the government of the UK, but it is completely false to say that he “was denied lifesaving treatment”.

He was denied experimental treatment, the purpose of which was to collect data about his condition and hopefully to develop future treatments to improve the situation of others.

I have been involved with hundreds of human experimental subjects (all adults), almost all with terminal illness, who elected to participate in trials of experimental therapy. Despite extensive and thorough disclosure of risk and lack of known benefit, almost all of them agree based on their belief that they will be the lucky one who benefits (that’s not a criticism, it’s simply human nature).

Experimental medicine is important and necessary, but not experimenting on any given subject is the furthest thing in the world from “denying them lifesaving treatment”.