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The U.S. Navy's Stealthy Zumwalt Class Destoyer: America’s New 'Pocket' Battleships?
National Interest ^ | 7/30/17 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 07/30/2017 3:56:21 PM PDT by Carbonsteel

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To: PAR35

Atlanta was an anti-aircraft cruiser and had 16 (8 x 2) 5” DP guns. No 6”, though.


41 posted on 07/30/2017 6:11:41 PM PDT by armourenthusiast (Trumperific)
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To: Oztrich Boy
That 30mm must be great in the shore bombardment role.... /sarc

Almost like the navy is trying to one-up the F-35 folks with this not ready for prime time DDG-1000.

42 posted on 07/30/2017 6:34:17 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: armourenthusiast

>> No 6”, though. <<

You might want to share that information with the US Navy. They apparently thought they bought a ship with those:

(CL-104: dp. 14,400; l. 610T’; b. 66’4”; dr. 24’10”; s. 31.6 k.; cpl. 1,426; a. 12 6”, 12 5”, 28 40mm., 10 20mm.; cl. Cleveland)

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/a/atlanta-cl-104-iv.html

At which point, I’d expect you to come back with “we were talking about CL 51” but I specified the one built during World War II, not the one built before World War II. The one launched in 1941 only displaced about 6000 tons; the one I referenced was much larger. (DANFS does say 14,400 tons displacement rather than the slightly smaller displacement I cited in my post. Which actually strengthens my point that the Zumwalt is about the size (displacement) of a light cruiser built in World War II.


43 posted on 07/30/2017 6:36:04 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Billthedrill

” That’s a pretty nice flamingo you’re holding there... “

Now that’s funny right thar.


44 posted on 07/30/2017 7:05:16 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (“The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to surviive.)
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To: gaijin

Little Crappy Ship.


45 posted on 07/30/2017 7:06:26 PM PDT by wjcsux (The hyperventilating of the left means we are winning! (Tagline courtesy of Laz.))
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To: Mr. Lucky; Chode; All

That is what I call 9 x 16” of Diplomacy and it won’t take No for an answer!!!

Such a statement must be delivered broadside as that is how one keeps the Ship rocking a bit vs firing forward as that will push the Ship backwards.


46 posted on 07/30/2017 7:16:28 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Progress- the opposite of congress)
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To: PAR35
The Zumwalt probably should class out as a light cruiser.

Yep. She's a bit longer and broader of beam than the Ticos.

47 posted on 07/30/2017 7:21:26 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SargeK; Jim Noble

If I recall correctly, the Iowa-class destroyers were designed as an improvement over the older South Dakota-class PT boats.


48 posted on 07/30/2017 7:21:54 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: PAR35

> The Zumwalt probably should class out as a light cruiser. <

If I’m wrong I hope someone will correct me. But I recall reading somewhere that Congress has a list of all sorts of things that must be on all future Navy cruisers. The Navy didn’t want to bother with that list. So presto, every new ship is now a destroyer.


49 posted on 07/30/2017 7:31:51 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Despot of the Delta

“They were built for the rail gun.”

And how many of those do we have, exactly?

L


50 posted on 07/30/2017 7:35:24 PM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: Lurker

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/watch-the-us-navy-test-an-experimental-railgun-that-can-fire-projectiles-at-mach-6_uk_58d3a100e4b0b22b0d1a0901


51 posted on 07/30/2017 7:41:16 PM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: Despot of the Delta

Great. We have one right now. And let me guess, there are maybe 3 rounds of ammunition for it, at best.

I feel safer already.

L


52 posted on 07/30/2017 7:43:53 PM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: Lurker

The ammo is just Tungsten no explosives or propellants.


53 posted on 07/30/2017 7:52:57 PM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: Despot of the Delta

“The ammo is just Tungsten no explosives or propellants.”

So stipulated.

I’ll repeat my question. How many battle ready rounds of ammunition do we have TODAY?

L


54 posted on 07/30/2017 7:54:38 PM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: Lurker

However much tungsten the Navy has procured and has milled


55 posted on 07/30/2017 8:00:52 PM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: mabarker1

no substitute for cubic inches


56 posted on 07/30/2017 8:11:43 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: onedoug

It’s blue. Like the sky and water. I can hardly see it!


57 posted on 07/30/2017 8:51:13 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Leaning Right
But I recall reading somewhere that Congress has a list of all sorts of things that must be on all future Navy cruisers

1) Heads with no urinals
2) Safe spaces for stressed-out sailors
3) Delivery rooms.

58 posted on 07/31/2017 4:32:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Carbonsteel

“I don’t think the American taxpayer has ever been taken for such a ride as we’re being taken for on this debacle!”

I take you’ve never heard of this thing called ‘welfare’?


59 posted on 07/31/2017 8:53:23 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: KC_Lion

I’ve read the Massey books “Dreadnought” and “Castles of Steel” and one of the things that comes to mind is that during the Battle of Jutland there was a German ship that had taken a horrendous pounding yet it stayed afloat.

Due to a fire the crew were unable to reach the stern to strike the flag and the British returned and pounded it some more.

So 100 years ago there were ships that were so tough even their own crews were unable to put them out of action. They suffered hundreds of hits and they stayed afloat.

I hate to say but a Zumwalt would be taken out of action by a single round from a shore-based tank.

Lord only knows what an Iranian Bayliner-class battleship would do to it!


60 posted on 07/31/2017 9:08:37 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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