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To: BroJoeK

Your arguments continue to be circular, assuming what it is you must prove. I have stated numerous times that similarities between species is no argument for evolution of species. As they say in statistics correlation is not causation.

My eyes are always open to the truth, no matter where it may be found, but there simply is no evidence that the order we see around us comes from chaos or that the Second Law of Thermodynamics can ever be violated.

Scientific knowledge is to be found in many differing disciplines.
Drinking the Kool-Aid of the evolutionary world view is not a prerequisite for the true scientist, but it is in the minds of many who perhaps are motivated by their desire for research funding.

You continue to lay down the “philosophy 101” insult, but it is an insult without merit. I think it was a beauty for you to insist that your world view constitutes science while those who disagree with you are un-scientific. I’m glad the US court system has sided with the evolutionists like yourself, after all they were the same entity who decided that slaves were property and that innocent little babies can be ripped from their mothers’ womb piece by piece, regardless of their age or viability.

God does not need evolutionary processes to create, but godless men do need a system that can explain the origins of living creatures without a Creator.

Of course, every one of us must die, for at least from the fossil record we are pretty sure that not a single human body has ever exhibited the trait of immortality (although with evolution anything is possible?). Oh, if you believe in the Bible then maybe we can make an exception for Enoch and Elias, and Jesus for that matter. Nevertheless, every human being will have to render an account before the judgement seat of Christ. What will He do with our vain theories/conjectures about the origins of life that seem to be constructed to leave the Maker out of the picture? “He came into the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.” Do you think that He will be giving out atta-boys for the minds who have foisted these unscientific hoaxes upon the rest of mankind so as to sever them from their true End?


88 posted on 08/14/2017 10:27:15 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific
blackpacific: "Your arguments continue to be circular, assuming what it is you must prove.
I have stated numerous times that similarities between species is no argument for evolution of species.
As they say in statistics correlation is not causation."

No, it's you who assume that evolution theory cannot, must not under any circumstances be valid and so you cherry-pick data to support your assumptions.
By contrast, I only assume what science itself assumes in these matters, assumptions such as:

  1. Only natural explanations for natural processes.
  2. Processes we see today operated the same in deep-time.
  3. Occam's razor: the simplest explanation which fits all the data is best.

Given those assumptions, basic evolution theory is the only one which works, namely: speciation from 1) descent with modifications and 2) natural selection.

blackpacific: "My eyes are always open to the truth, no matter where it may be found, but there simply is no evidence that the order we see around us comes from chaos or that the Second Law of Thermodynamics can ever be violated."

Sure, I "get" that you people put a lot of faith, a near religious faith, in the Power of the Second Law to defy any & all confirmed evidence of evolution.
You use that Second Law the way, oh, say, a fictional Harry Potter uses his magic wand to wave at things and force them to obey his commands.

But like all magic, the Second Law's power over material evidence is illusory when you misunderstand it and misapply it.
In this case, the Second Law does not prevent "complexification" inside a human made chemical reaction chamber, and neither does it prevent similar "complexifications" in God's reaction chamber, the Earth.

blackpacific: "Scientific knowledge is to be found in many differing disciplines.
Drinking the Kool-Aid of the evolutionary world view is not a prerequisite for the true scientist..."

Not "Kool-Aid", but evolution theory is essential to many scientific fields, from A (astronomy) to Z (zoology).
You won't find work in those fields if you reject it's basic ideas.

blackpacific: "You continue to lay down the “philosophy 101” insult, but it is an insult without merit.
I think it was a beauty for you to insist that your world view constitutes science while those who disagree with you are un-scientific.
I’m glad the US court system has sided with the evolutionists like yourself, after all they were the same entity who decided that... "

First, I have not insulted you, only told the truth.
By contrast, you have gratuitously insulted both me and science in general, several times.

Here's the truth of this matter: by law, anti-scientists like yourself have no authority -- none, zero, nada authority -- to say what is or is not science or to redefine science to suit your anti-science beliefs.

Legally, only scientists themselves get to say what is, or is not, real science.
Think of it this way: scientists own the copyright or patent on definitions of the word "science", you don't.

blackpacific: "God does not need evolutionary processes to create, but godless men do need a system that can explain the origins of living creatures without a Creator."

Neither you nor I nor anybody else knows what God "needs" or doesn't "need", but it does appear that He left us many clues to how He worked some miracles.
Those clues suggest the Earth's old age and evolutionary processes.

But natural-science by definition assumes what I listed above, including: only natural explanations for natural processes.
By assumption and intention, science does not ever touch on the super-natural, leaving all that to other fields of knowledge, such as theology.

blackpacific: "Do you think that He will be giving out atta-boys for the minds who have foisted these unscientific hoaxes upon the rest of mankind so as to sever them from their true End?"

Yes, by definition, only explanations which leave out the super-natural can be called "scientific".
As soon as you bring in the super-natural, you've left the realm of natural-science and entered a different classification of knowledge, possibly theology or metaphysics.

As for God's "atta boys", my church teaches those are reserved for people who accept Christ as our savior, regardless of our opinions on various scientific or political controversies.

You disagree?

89 posted on 08/15/2017 12:08:22 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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