Posted on 08/08/2017 2:18:14 PM PDT by Kaslin
” The electricity that fuels the cars is produced by plants that burn fossil fuels and the more electricity needed for peak hours the less efficient and more polluting plants are used.”
Cars can be recharged during off-peak hours while you sleep ...
“And of course the batteries use minerals that are mined by children and slaves in Africa”
Of course the computer you are typing on uses minerals that are mined by children and slaves in Africa, right?
“Was getting ready to compose letter to editor for local news paper about this evil”
Hope you get all the facts before you do!
“are as deluded as private plane flying Al Gore.”
Al Gore is NOT deluded. He is the deluder.
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service.
The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles ... Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy the damn things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter “investment” will not be revealed until we’re so far down this dead-end road that it will be presented with an oops and a shrug.
If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following:
Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. Enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors...and he writes...For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4-1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $116 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000........So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay 3 times as much for a car, that costs more than 7 times as much to run, and takes 3 times longer to drive across the country…..
” For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service.”
Only if you want a fast-charge system. Otherwise just let it charge overnight. Besides, you won’t normally need a full charge as most people don’t commute 200+ miles a day!
“It will take you 4-1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.”
In a typical road trip you wouldn’t stop to recharge. You would just fill up the old gas tank and go recharging when you reach your destination.
“the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. “
Volt gets over 50 miles on battery.
the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
” Then add 10 hours to charge the battery”
Five hours.
“while the Volt costs $46,000”
$34,000.
At least these kids aren’t working in Chinese sweat shops making Air Jordan tennis shoes!
“The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $116 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. “
I assume that the $116 is a typo!
But where the heck do you live? I am paying about $0.11 cents per kwh.
To get a realistic number for the present volt it would be 18 kwh * .11 / 50 miles or about 4 cents per mile!
You are off by a factor of almost 80!
“You don’t have to be a leftist to wish to purchase less gas.”
So, instead, you purchase a more expensive electric vehicle because spending money on electric stuff somehow costs less than spending the same money on gas?
From your original post. I kind of figured it was a typo. But, if not, you drive slow.
“The gasoline powered car costs about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000........So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay 3 times as much for a car,”
The Volt is $34,000, not $46,000.
“that costs more than 7 times as much to run,”
The cost per mile on electricity is half the cost per mile on gas.
“and takes 3 times longer to drive across the country…..”
It would be about the same time as there is no need to stop to recharge. Just keep the gas tank off empty as you would any regular gas powered car. Plug in at night and you may even have a quicker trip due to less stops!
“Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. “
I would like to see your source! Car and Driver got 45 mpg only on gas.
If you include the 54 miles on battery, that would be 50 mpg compared to your 30 mpg.
“Then add 10 hours to charge the battery “
Perhaps you didn’t know that the Volt can recharge its own battery?
“I’m not getting rid of my vehicle, or refusing to buy another because crimes are being committed. Put an end to the crimes folks.”
This.
I don’t know why EVs are so viscerally hated by so many on the right - apparently the only motivation for the vitriol is that the left expresses an interest therein. That’s a pretty stupid reason.
I drove an EV for 2 years. Great little car, cheap to run, great performance.
We should be _promoting_ such progress. Moving on past century-old technology to something high-tech is laudable, though not perfect & instant.
Say what you want fella, when you’re sitting in traffic bumper to bump stopped burning gas, my engine is off. I’m able to drive along on battery.
Enjoy burning your gas. I know I enjoy watching folks do it.
Every stop light, enjoy. While thirty cars around me burn a gallon of gas, I’m burning nothing.
Sorry about carelessly using the MPH instead of MPG.
LOL
Drove my care from Paradise, CA to Glendale years ago. It’s about a 550 mile trip.
I filled up as I was leaving Paradise and filled up once on the way, and then once in Glendale even though I didn’t need to, just to get an accurate reading.
I got 34.34 MPG on the trip. My Mountaineer would have gotten about 17 if I was lucky.
One thing I’ve never quite figured out, is why folks floor it going up hill. I’m driving along on the freeway and it’s a long 7 mile incline and folks whiz past me going 75 to 80, just burning as much gas as they can. I guess they literally have money to burn.
I’ll get over to the right going 60 all the way up. You save so much gas doing that. What’s more, you wind up at your destination only five to ten minutes later. Big deal.
We have a 30 degree grade here by home for a block, as it heads up to a freeway entrance. Folks go whizzing by me at 45. I go up at 30 in a 35 zone. There are two lights, and we often miss them both. Almost every time, the folks who go whizzing by me at the bottom are waiting in line at the top as I pull in behind them.
What a waste.
I’m not freakishly trying to protect the planet. I don’t think we affect the planet in the overall scheme of things. If you look at Los Angeles from space, it’s a spec.
I enjoy playing with the gas consumption. It’s fun to see how little you can get by on. I’m 66 years old and driving has become pretty boring to me. This is a little game I play, and it has made it fun to drive again.
Hey, why not.
Folks who whine about how much I spent for my vehicle haven’t a clue that had I gone for the full-on gas guzzler, it would have been larger and burned twice as much gas. AND it would have cost MORE than what I paid for my Mariner.
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