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Jersey Girl Defends Robert E. Lee
Frontpage Magazine ^ | May 16, 2017 | Danusha Goska

Posted on 08/17/2017 11:07:53 PM PDT by TMD

.................. The irreconcilable facts of Robert E. Lee's biography – patriot, traitor; compassionate patriarch who lead a record of young men to their deaths – emerge from the chaotic, multidimensional, whirling fan of real life. Liberals demand that we view the South and indeed America only through the lens of condemnation. Real life shatters their command. Life's complexity emerges in shards that we must rearrange as our compassion and depth allows. I don't know, but I do guess, that many Southerners who cherish Robert E. Lee's statues do so for the following reasons. Their conquerors continue to depict them as lowlife scum. In him, they see an honorable man who excelled at everything he put his hand to before the Civil War. They see a man who was not an unambiguous champion of slavery but rather, like all of us, he was a person who was born into an unjust world he could not single-handedly fix. A man who hoped that the passage of time would resolve the world's problems. They see a man whose decision to fight was informed primarily by his attachment to his home...............

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: dixie; nj; purge; robertelee
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I've posted links to this column in the past days with all the kerfuffle and histrionics generated by hyper-ventilating SJWs....Danusha has a sober, interesting perspective.
1 posted on 08/17/2017 11:07:54 PM PDT by TMD
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To: TMD

“A man who hoped that the passage of time would resolve the world’s problems.”

That does not describe Robert E. Lee, nor does it describe any worthy leader.


2 posted on 08/17/2017 11:11:39 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: TMD

I’ve posted links to this column in the past days with all the kerfuffle and histrionics generated by hyper-ventilating SJWs.


Indeed. The MSM is always, always flogging the end of the world over this week’s issue of the century. Why, just a few weeks ago CNN, the fake news network, was pushing the idea that nukes would be dropping out of the sky any moment. Before that, I thought we were at war with Russia, Russia, Russia.

No wonder more and more, people are simply tuning out from the endless hysteria pushed by the MSM. It is unhealthy.


3 posted on 08/17/2017 11:25:38 PM PDT by Flick Lives (#CNNblackmail)
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To: TMD

One thing I have yet to hear from anyone:

Didn’t Grant order all the Confederate soldiers to lay down their arms and return their their homes once Lee signed the surrender? Didn’t Lincoln pretty much pardon everyone involved with the rebellion except for Jeff Davis and some others?

Point: All this was settled in the past. And by 1965, it was well and truly over. The agitators fomenting discord today want us to refight the war and this time, anyone who disagrees with them are going to prison or worse if they have their way. There will be no reconciliation. The losers will be hounded to the grave.


4 posted on 08/17/2017 11:41:35 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: TMD
Sherman was by today's standard a war criminal, he is responsible for many women and childrens deaths. Since the North won the war he is considered a hero. Lee never wanted to harm noncombatants, yet he is considered by the left to be a monster.
5 posted on 08/17/2017 11:52:33 PM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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To: BradyLS

There was an oath of allegiance and those who refused were basically cut off from civil society, seems a fair number of western outlaws were former Confederates who refused the oath.


6 posted on 08/17/2017 11:59:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Andrew Johnson’s Christmas Pardon of 1868 removed the oath requirement and other conditions.


7 posted on 08/18/2017 12:05:48 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Do the math

John Brown is also worshiped.

That man was mad and a murderer.


8 posted on 08/18/2017 12:27:47 AM PDT by Salamander (Where is evil? Often where you least expect it.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“By Public Law 85-425, May 23, 1958 (H.R. 358) 72 Statute 133 states – “(3) (e) for the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term ‘veteran’ includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term ‘active, military or naval service’ includes active service in such forces.”
As a result of this law the last surviving Confederate Veteran received a U.S. Military pension until his death in 1959, and from that day until present, descendants of Confederate veterans have been able to receive military monuments to place on graves from the Veteran’s Administration for their ancestors.
**A Confederate Veteran should therefore be treated with the same honor and dignity of any other American veteran**.”

So the left is treating the Confederate veterans just like they treat US veterans, today...like crap.


9 posted on 08/18/2017 12:36:13 AM PDT by Salamander (Where is evil? Often where you least expect it.)
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To: TMD
https://jewishstudies.wisc.edu/jewishstudies/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/danusha.jpg

One of her great articles that gives insight into who she is for those unfamiliar

10 posted on 08/18/2017 12:44:22 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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...Liberal Seattle, Washington, hosts a massive, sixteen-foot-tall statue of Lenin. For me and others whose loved ones survived the Soviet Empire, Lenin is the architect of our Hell. I think, immediately, of the Katyn Massacre, when Soviets shot 22,000 captured Polish army officers in the back of the head and buried them in mass graves. If I lived in Seattle, I would not work to tear down Lenin’s statue. I would work to educate the citizenry so that they wanted to tear it down themselves.
....when the hand of Big Brother reaches down from above to erase people’s popular history, things end badly. If there is one thing that the French Terror, Nazism, and the twentieth century’s People’s Revolutions have taught us, it’s this. The self-described pure ones who erase the past and begin anew with a sparkly new calendar are those most likely to fertilize the earth with more human corpses than she can rapidly consume.
...If you care only about racism and slavery committed by white Americans, you really don’t care about racism or slavery. You care about demonizing and scapegoating white Americans. You are merely exploiting natural human repugnance at injustice to advance your campaign of hate...


11 posted on 08/18/2017 12:47:48 AM PDT by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Do the math
Sherman was by today's standard a war criminal, he is responsible for many women and childrens deaths. Since the North won the war he is considered a hero.

Then I assume you would you the commanders of the U.S. strategic bombing efforts during World War 2 - Arthur Harris, Curtis LeMay, Carl Spaatz - to be war criminals as well?

12 posted on 08/18/2017 4:24:00 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Sherman was by today's standard a war criminal, he is responsible for many women and childrens deaths. Since the North won the war he is considered a hero.

Then I assume you would you the commanders of the U.S. strategic bombing efforts during World War 2 - Arthur Harris, Curtis LeMay, Carl Spaatz - to be war criminals as well?


Wouldn't it be funny if this eventually went so far as to remove monuments to World War II leaders? Those who ordered bombings of German and Japanese cities. Certain officers for forcing men to cross the channel and jump out of boats in the face of German bullets on D-Day. Truman, for nuking the Japanese. Every action in past wartime can be argued to be a war crime by someone using modern feelings and emotion. Some would say we should have negotiated with Hitler, or stood down after Pearl Harbor as to not interfere with Japanese rights to expand. Life isn't black and white, which is why Confederate statues have every right to be there. Once you try to cast the world in absolutes based on present-day skewed morals (such as antifa or blm) the end is that all history MUST be erased. It isn't just ignorance driving this, but necessity. If contemporary northern and southerners could shake hands across the battlefields after blood had been shed for four years, how can these race baiters claim the peace is now intolerable? Answer: if you erase all that nasty reconciliation you can keep up the "fight" between races forever.

Sadly I don't think the GOP has any better sense of history than the people throwing the tow straps over General Lee.
13 posted on 08/18/2017 5:22:06 AM PDT by siberianheat
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very well said!


14 posted on 08/18/2017 6:10:49 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: BradyLS

Jeff Davis was arrested but twenty staunch ABOLITIONISTS each paid $5000 ($100,000) in gold coin to obtain his release. The release papers stated...”Treason charges are dismissed.”

In NYC, all the newspapers demanded Davis’ release except for the NY Slimes who wanted their pound of flesh.

There were no treason trials for anyone.
I notice in CANADA, they have torn down a plaque to Davis, as some snowflake there got butt hurt when he saw the plaque. Yet they still continue to honor, with statues and memorials, their own Louis Riel who was hanged for treason and murder.


15 posted on 08/18/2017 6:54:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: DoodleDawg

Sherman made statements about the blacks, and betrayed them at Ebenezer Creek, that if it was made public his statues would be coming down.

He also called for genocide of the American Indian.


16 posted on 08/18/2017 6:57:24 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jjotto

I have a 2nd great uncle in my paternal grandmother’s line who refused the oath and went west into the territories, no idea where he landed or even what his fate might have been, outlaw probably but if there are any mysterious men with surname Southern, that might’ve been him. Everybody else swore the oath and we’ve fought for this country in every war since.


17 posted on 08/18/2017 7:08:26 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Sherman made statements about the blacks, and betrayed them at Ebenezer Creek, that if it was made public his statues would be coming down.

If statements about blacks made in the 1860s is enough to bring down statues then the ones for every Confederate leader would be rubble by now. Sherman's views were no different than the overwhelming majority of people, North and South.

He also called for genocide of the American Indian.

A bit of an overstatement, but even if so it had been pretty much U.S. policy since the country's founding.

18 posted on 08/18/2017 7:21:08 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Jeff Davis was arrested but twenty staunch ABOLITIONISTS each paid $5000 ($100,000) in gold coin to obtain his release. The release papers stated...”Treason charges are dismissed.”

Actually Davis was released on bail. The treason charges were not dismissed until after the ratification of the 14th Amendment when Chief Justice Chase, one of the two judges who would hear the case, said that he believed a trial and conviction would violate Davis' 5th Amendment protections.

There were no treason trials for anyone.

Mainly because all but a handful of the rebel leaders were covered by one of Andrew Johnson's amnesty proclamations.

I notice in CANADA, they have torn down a plaque to Davis, as some snowflake there got butt hurt when he saw the plaque. Yet they still continue to honor, with statues and memorials, their own Louis Riel who was hanged for treason and murder.

One could make the case that Riel was a Canadian traitor. Davis was not.

19 posted on 08/18/2017 7:27:43 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: blueplum

Didn’t the mayor of Seattle call for removal of the Lenin statue as well as a Confederate monument?


20 posted on 08/18/2017 7:29:54 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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