Posted on 09/05/2017 8:57:12 PM PDT by Az Joe
We should’ve let them leave, the violent slave rebellions that would have eventually effed them up would have been fun.
Yes, secession was a revolutionary act, as Alexander Stephens proclaimed in his Corner Stone speech. It was a counter-revolution against the Revolution of 1776, based on race slavery. Nobody seriously expected, either in 1776 or in 1861, that such a revolution could be accomplished without war. This explains the eagerness of the Confederates to fire on Fort Sumter.
""The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.""
Easy for you to sit in judgment 150 years into the future. Fact of the matter is, belief was widespread that secession was a viable, permissible option, and the Declaration of Independence as well as the Constitution itself does not contradict such an understanding. The States of the former Confederacy were far from the first to discuss and threaten to secede. They were, however, the last and that I believe was to our detriment. You apparently prefer and enjoy overweening, intrusive federal government. That’s sort of surprising in an erstwhile conservative. Maybe you’re just an old-school northeastern “good government” Republican who never met a federal law or regulation that you didn’t think you could “improve,” but you’d never dream of rescinding any of them. Your time has passed, if so.
Logically speaking there is no difference.
Gee, do we really have to rehash this?! Yes, they were traitors, took up arms against the USA, killed Americans. And ultimate lost. They are not heros and there is American blood on their hands. No amount of excuses changes these points. Now, most people in the former Confederate states today are loyal Americans, no stain on their hands for their ancestor’s treason. Let’s move on, put all this in perspective, the flag in a museum, at cemeteries, whatever. But, heros, No. Never should we celebrate people who killed Americans. You don’t celebrate Nazi’s do you?
What was the North? Baby sitters? They wanted to stop the South from Seceding from the Union.. They killed as many Southerners as the South Killed Northerners.. they were all Americans... Just differences of opinion..
They already destroyed Christopher Columbus Statue and Defaced Washington’s.. How about Abraham Lincoln Monument?
It’s been that way here forever and on this thread are three listed on my homepage as steady offenders
Free Republic will not zot for south bashing
Many are in time zotted for something else progressive
Lord I’ve seen dozens go over the years after being outed over and over
Free Republic mods are EXTREMELY tolerant of south basher faggots
Since first day I lit here
Taught me something about what we call conservatism and it’s view of Dixie
It’s not pretty
We southerners are under attack by ANTIFA etc because they detest us most
And they have help in our ranks just like on this forum
It’s just how it is
Virtue signaling by folks who never really had to deal with problems folks talk about in hushed tones unlike where I’m from where we deal with it
We had a mod on our side once....he departed the planet of his own volition sadly
The 1958 act says no such thing. All it says is that confederate veterans, of which there were none in 1958, were to receive the same pension as US veterans. That’s it. Nothing about being considered US veterans whatsoever.
I have yet to find any documents supporting the belief that the virtuous notion of eradicating slavery precipitated the war. From what I can tell, it was about economic independence for the South, and industrial losses for the North. The related virtuous proclamations followed as a necessity to inspire morale for the withering cause of economic colonialism.
The realistic question... who truly believes 750k “privileged” White lives would be sacrificed for the benefit of the “BLM” slaves? And that’s not to question the proper, yet exclusive, outcome of liberty for the slaves, but to be realistic about the true nature of the war.
They’re better informed than zotted.
If only FR existed prior to CW.
Oh, poor, persecuted you. Tell us more about what a victim you are.
>One election goes against them and they decide on their own to give up on the United States?
>Pretty strange and not something that should have been encouraged.
You just demonstrated that you know nothing about the history that led up to the civil war.
They come back under different screen names. While I may not be the most highly educated person on this board, I do have a certain intelligence and I do recognize patterns, particularly in writing. Two rather well-known ones from the past are back, in my opinion. Stinky (Sinkspur) and Nonsequitur. I know their sentence structure and I know their favorite hobbyhorses to jump up and down about. Gangs Of New York! Gangs Of New York! Aaaiiieee, lol.
A misguided comment. Veterans are veterans, and they deserve a decent burial, whether they are German, Japanese, Confederates or Yankees. It has nothing to do with nationality, from this veteran's point of view. Unlike you I don't consider every veteran of the opposite side to be a war criminal. or require them to be on a particular side to deserve veteran status. And rightfully, neither did congress.
These monuments were erected at a time when our country was concerned about unity. They wanted the “late unpleasantness” forgotten. We should consider that this new sentiment is truly belligerent and intends total destruction of all who disagree with them.
Agreed
Non Sequitur is back?
Does the asylum know he’s missing?
Yikes. Better get the net.
He was my favorite person to *really* wind up.
:D
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