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To: Kaslin
Could be a little over-analysis going on here but we can roll with it.

If you see Marxist described as "Marxian," by the way, you know you're dealing with a Marxist.

Or someone who speaks enough English to know that "Marxist" is a noun and "Marxian" is an adjective or an adverb. Not a good start, but not critical.

It was Marcuse who dropped the Marxist notion (and perhaps it was always a pose, after all) of an inevitable dialectic grounded in economic movements.

Close. Marx's notion was that economics, and only economics, described the class structure that was preeminent in politics, and it wasn't a pose, he defended it furiously because he knew what would happen to his theory if one adopted other class descriptors, such as race, sex, etc, etc. The theory takes a dive, and the reason it does so is that under classic Marxism any deviation from economic class solidarity may be ascribed to false class consciousness. Adding other descriptors means one has to account for behavior of a person who is a member of multiple classes, and whose behavior may no longer be ascribed to false class consciousness. Which class interests does a white proletarian heterosexual pursue, and how do they differ from those of a black proletarian heterosexual? Where race is the descriptor they're different; where economic class and sexual preference are descriptors, they're the same. The Frankfurt School killed Marxian class theory.

What it does bring to the table, however, is the multiplication of senses of resentment which are used to destabilize the status quo. It is why a white wealthy homosexual may consider himself oppressed when the "white wealthy" part suggests privilege. Everybody gets to be a victim, everybody has a grievance, everybody is owed.

Cheap and manipulative, yes, but extremely powerful, and that is why what has become known as "cultural" Marxism is so very seductive. It's also why we have this weird hierarchy of grievance wherein sexual preference takes precedence over race which takes preference over sex. You simply can't run a coherent social theory under those conditions, but it doesn't have to be coherent to work.

4 posted on 09/10/2017 10:38:25 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
"Or someone who speaks enough English to know that "Marxist" is a noun and "Marxian" is an adjective or an adverb. Not a good start, but not critical."

Well, then there are the Democratics.

6 posted on 09/10/2017 10:52:45 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Billthedrill

Comey provoked cultural Marxism inside the FBI when he pretended to say that Trump,was attacking as a whole the FBI and its credibility.

This is the deed of manipulative weak little pieces of sht without any leadership or competence, never getting anything done except posturing as a fake hero and fake news artist.

We see it all the time in Europe in the debates about Islam, where you have progressists promoting the nice everyday muslim and showing how racist are the others for not liking them around.

However, here is the thing. Liberals never help the individual muslim, but they do help the jihadi cult as a whole. The opposit is true of a conservative who is willing to help a migrant make it in America as an individual, but nit as a SUBSIDY TO HIS CULT! but for HIMSELF! as a Free Man!

It is the liberal fascists who portray our rejectionmof fascist cult snd support of individuals as racism, when it is in fact the liberal flipping dialectic which is pro-fascit group cult and not about helping the individual be free. The liberal wants the pimping system of elites and designated puppet Opinion Makers over revenue makers to exploit system.

As I said to a migrant, Nigeria had more children born than the whole Europe. I am perfectly willing to help a Nigerian kid make it in Nigeria or in Europe, but I will NOT SUPPORT the DEMOGRAPHIC JIHADISM of Obama’s laws and language of illegal immigration.


9 posted on 09/10/2017 11:13:22 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Billthedrill

Good points and please pardon my nitpick, but I do believe that “Marxist” can be properly used as an adjective or adverb, not just as a noun.


12 posted on 09/10/2017 11:38:26 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Billthedrill
Marx's notion was that economics, and only economics, described the class structure that was preeminent in politics, and it wasn't a pose, he defended it furiously because he knew what would happen to his theory if one adopted other class descriptors, such as race, sex, etc, etc.

The original definition of economics actually came from the Greek word for home.

Oikos

Economics, in its original understanding, was the what emanated from the home, the livelihood of the family and how the family interacted with others. Today, when we think of economics, we tend to think of what happens to society and the family is usually considered as a last resort.

Karl Marx purposely bent the term to make it almost unrecognizable.

15 posted on 09/10/2017 12:56:43 PM PDT by Slyfox (Are you tired of winning yet?)
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To: Billthedrill

Thanks for that informative, and clearly-written post.


18 posted on 09/10/2017 3:34:46 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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