[mdittmar]

Well,here's an old song I like;)

Waylon Jennings - Can't you see Live 1976

[jacknhoo]

If the EPA were really concerned about the E, we would already have outlawed hormone introduction.

Morality is good for the environment, too. Who’d-a-thunk-it.

[Tai_Chung]

With this rule in place, any employer could decide that their employees no longer have health insurance coverage for birth control.

If this is true, then President Trump is promoting pro-choice policies. An employer would have the choice to include the coverage or not include the coverage.

[mairdie]

A dear friend who is wildly pro abortion keeps sending me emails and in her latest she argued against this on the basis that the costs which I had said were cheap were, in fact, not. She included links where she got the info, but came up with, in summary:

Per Year
Pills - $500-1000
NuvaRing - $960
Shot - $700

Lasts for Years
Implant - $800
IUD - $500-1000

I can usually make her back off arguing abortion because it's core beliefs, but I would really like some good sources to tell her that her cost estimates are too high for birth control, if what I've always believed in is, indeed, true. Her argument is that $700-1000 can't be managed for under the poverty line incomes, and barely for minimum wage. I'd really like to have ONE subject where I could argue back on facts. On abortion, it's just rock firm belief. Can anyone point me to places where I can get good counter information against the cost argument? I really love her and she's highly active in teaching shooting to women, so she's not all out of her mind.

[Wuli]

It’s the beginning of what should be understood.

O.K. Roe-v-Wade says abortion cannot be banned outright.

But that’s the end of the “right” - it cannot be legally banned outright.

That imposes NOT Constitutional mandate that the government, or anyone who opposes abortion, must be financially or operationally responsible, directly for helping you get an abortion. You can go to a provider willing to do it, within the law - end of your “right”. How it is paid for is not a requirement that can be imposed on anyone, and particularly not on the government or an unwilling person, or entity in any capacity. Yes, an employer’s insurance could financially support it, but the employer cannot be required to have the insurance plan support it.

That’s how it SHOULD BE understood and how we have to move the courts to agree that’s how it should be understood.

[maxwellsmart_agent]

Planned Parenthood is not concerned about Cancer Patients who get no help with the price of their medicine, or Heart Patients who also get no help with their medicine, or Diabetics, etc. who do not get free medicine, but want free pills for people who want to fool around with sex. Real nice organization, the ACLU!