Posted on 10/08/2017 7:08:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
“Michigan’s strictest-in-the-nation term limits law will force nearly 70 percent of state senators out of office in 2019 and more than 20 percent of representatives,” reports the Detroit News, “a mass turnover that is fueling renewed interest in reform.”
What?!! Could term limitation laws actually make our poor underpaid and overworked politicians vacate their powerful perches . . . even when they don’t want to?
Heaven forbid!
Who could have foreseen this strange turn of events? Who could have predicted that limits on the number of terms politicians may stay in office would mandate that politicians, having reached that limit, would be summarily cast out to live like the rest of us?
Who, I ask you, who?
You guessed. Everyone. The “mass turnover” coming after the 2018 election cycle will indeed be caused by term limits. Booted out will be 26 of 38 state senators and 24 of 110 reps in the House.
While this level of turnover is certainly unheard of in the U.S. Congress and the 35 states lacking term limits, it is not so out of the ordinary for Michigan. For instance, the Great Lakes State saw greater turnover in 2010 with 25 senators and 34 representatives termed-out.
Somehow the state survived.
In fact, one clear result of the state’s toughest-in-the-nation term limits law is the state’s best-in-the-nation level of electoral competitiveness. In both the 2014 and 2016 election cycles, Michigan led the nation with every single state legislative seat contested. Michigan’s 100 percent competitiveness in the last two cycles compares to a national average of just 58 percent in 2016 and 57 percent in 2014.
Is it possible that voters are much fonder of competitive elections than are incumbent politicians and powerful lobbyists? Perhaps that is why the “renewed interest in reform” comes not from the state’s citizens, but their politicians.
Oh, and powerful lobbyists and special interests.
The newspaper report continues: “Term limits remain popular with the voting public, but critics say Michigan rules have thrust inexperienced legislators into complex policy issues they may be ill-equipped to address.”
Rich Studley, the Michigan Chamber of Commerce’s head-honcho, argues that “Leadership really matters, and experience really matters.” His lobbying outfit, “an influential business group with significant financial resources,” is working to organize support for a ballot measure to weaken the limits it has so vehemently opposed for the last 25 years.
Why such fierce opposition? Because term limits supposedly give too much power and influence to . . . (drum roll) . . . lobbyists and special interests.
Like the well-heeled Michigan Chamber.
Whose selflessness apparently knows no bounds.
“We don’t want [the legislature] to be strictly a place,” counters Scott Tillman, national field director of U.S. Term Limits, “where a bunch of people with an incumbent advantage have a lock on the system and are the only ones who can get elected and make decisions for the state.”
“The basic message citizens have given their government for 200 years now has been to have a Legislature full of people who represent citizens,” contends Patrick Anderson, the author of the 1992 term limits measure. “To do that effectively, you want to make sure that those legislators are periodically drawn from the citizenry, and term limits ensures that.”
Taking the opposite point of view is Wayne State University Political Science Professor Marjorie Sarbaugh-Thompson. The author of two books on term limits, she dubs Michigan “the Draconian term limits state,” and claims legislators are ineffective because they have “one eye on that clock all the time instead of thinking, ‘I need to really fix this problem because it’s going to come back to haunt me.’”
Yet, Sarbaugh-Thompson offers no analysis as to why legislators in the non-term-limited states — or the career-dominated Congress in D.C. — are much more hauntingly ineffective.
“Her research suggests Michigan’s term limits have failed to deliver on many of the ‘good government’ promises that appeal to citizens,” according to the News. What the News neglects to tell readers is that Sarbaugh-Thompson’s “research relies heavily on face-to-face interviews with Michigan’s state House members conducted in 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004 and State Senators in 2000, 2006, and 2010.”
Why am I not surprised that “research” centered on the views of incumbent officeholders is not very favorable to limits on incumbent officeholders?
Two things we know for certain: politicians hate term limits; voters love them.
That’s why the News explains, “Any reform plan is unlikely to extend or repeal term limits, but may instead allow legislators to serve longer in the House or Senate.”
Come again? If legislators could serve “longer” than currently allowed, that would clearly “extend” the limits.
However, the political insiders behind the current scheming will want to pretend their attack on term limits is anything but. They are likely to argue that since people can now serve six years in the House and eight years in the Senate, which if they served the full time in both chambers (few do) would be 14 years, allowing 14 years in the House or 14 years in the Senate wouldn’t really be much different.
They’re lying. We know because their lips are moving. Such a change would dramatically re-entrench incumbency and undermine the competitiveness that term limits have created.
Michigan citizens, beware: The stench of a very rotten scam is now swirling through the dark corridors of the capitol in Lansing.
For all other Americans, just take a moment to imagine what would be the result if the U.S. Congress were beset with Michigan’s “mass turnover.” That would mean giving the heave-ho to 68 out of the current 100 U.S. Senators and 95 of the 435 incumbent Representatives in the House.
Imagine.
As the song goes, “It’s easy if you try.”
And fun.
“Term limits remain popular with the voting public, but critics say Michigan rules have thrust inexperienced legislators into complex policy issues they may be ill-equipped to address.”
What BS complex policy issues on the state level come on.
Term Limits;
One term in office,
Two terms in Jail.
Term limits didn’t really work in CA. People just rotated between offices every time they were termed out. Same crooks, different offices. If they happen to loose they just became lobbyists.
We also need to dramatically reduce the size of congressional districts (at least 1/3rd of present size goal) while simultaneously mandating that district lines be drawn with the shortest possible average length of boundary line for adjacent districts, given the shape of the State and population distribution, to enclose the proper number of Persons (better: Citizens ... non-Citizens shouldn’t be counted towards representation) for that district, a task that could be accomplished by a computer that would result in lumpish shapes and entirely eliminate gerrymandering.
Let them hold meetings of the House and joint sessions of Congress at the football stadium.
Yup. California went from bad to hellhole since term limits was implemented. Everything after 1996 there has been a nightmare of epic proportions.
It’s amazing. When these intellectual guys go all weepy-eyed and hype up the necessity of having long-term people....then you look over at McCain and McConnell to demonstrate their incompetence over and over, and wonder about all this complex material talk.
Top level unit commanders in the military are rotated out every two years. Most military personnel stay anywhere from 2 to 4 years on station.
Yet with this rapid turnover of personnel, our military manages to be one of the most effective forces in the world. Perhaps it’s because, instead of developing long-term quid-pro-quo relationships, the short time on station focuses military personnel on learning and doing the job.
Letting politicians entrench themselves in office, developing those sweetheart deals with lobbyists and big business at the expense of the people has not been good for the country.
Here I like my old suggestion: “Whatever taxes are imposed, Members of Congress shall: Pay twice the imposition, percentage rate, as applicable; of any deductions or exemptions receive half the benefit of; this penalty shall continue till the fifth year after leaving Elected Office plus as well any time continuing thereafter in any other Branch of Government, including appointed and hired positions other than Military service, or engaging in professional lobbying.”
I don’t believe in term limits for politicians. They should serve there full term with no parole or early release.
1. They are corrupt in office.
2. They lose touch with their constituents and see their office as nothing more than a guarantee of lifetime employment.
Term limits address #2, but they don't fix #1. In fact, you might find that term limits make #1 even worse ... because it gives elected leaders an incentive to legislate with their post-political career first and foremost in their minds.
The problem we have here isn't one of career politicians -- it's intrusive government meddling with no constraints. I would have no qualms about having a strict constitutionalist serving in Congress for 30+ years.
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I don’t believe in term limits for politicians. They should serve there full term with no parole or early release.
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I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there. Touche.
Implying that elections really aren't something that would normally keep legislators with "one eye on the clock" - so consider the implications of that statement.
Top level unit commanders in the military are rotated out every two years. Most military personnel stay anywhere from 2 to 4 years on station.
As the song goes, “It’s easy if you try.”
What BS complex policy issues on the state level come on.
The appeal to 'experts'.
Here’s an idea:
The lower house of Congress should be chosen by lottery among the lower house representatives in the state legislatures, term limited to two terms and returned to their respective state houses after serving at the national level.
One of the biggest problems is the amount of time and effort spent on raising money. They arrive in Washington and immediately have to start raising money for the next election. Term limits would actually allow them time to legislate
Won’t work unless you also term-limit their staff people. Elsewise the staff become the all powerful and it will get much worse.
My idea is to hold a lottery where 500 residents of each Congressional district are selected every two years. Only those persons are eligible to run for Congress.
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