Tripping Over an Inconvenient Truth for Leftists, Regarding White Privilege

My own thoughts | 10/08/2017 | Doughtyone for Free Republic

[DoughtyOne]

Well yes, but not for that reason. LOL

[DoughtyOne]

None of us think all them Hispanic’s are alike. I don’t think of them as a race either. However, it sure seems like the people who came up with these five groups do. Maybe you should educate them.

I use the term because it would be wrong to mention Mexicans every time I address a certain body of people made up of Mexicans and other people from a number of different nations. I don’t mean it in a derogatory way.

The media, the government, and others refer to Hispanics constantly when referencing groups from Mexico and various Central and South American nations.

What is it with some people who think they are the only people on the planet who know some things? You don’t think folks know what you’ve written there?

As for using the word “spiks”, you seem to be going out of your way to cast dispersions. I’ve never used it in my life. I don’t anyone who has.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree with this.

I will say, I just fired of a post to you. If I misinterpreted your message, please explain. I didn’t know how else to take it.

[DoughtyOne]

While it is true that the white male comparisons are 165 to 195% (or so) when compared to other males, it’s also true that white males compared to black females is 8 to 1. Yes, that’s 800% white male deaths compared to black females.

Of course that is the most extreme case, but it’s still reasoned to point it out. Here’s why.

For every person who actually goes through with it, there are probably 50 or more who have the idea pop into their head. Many try it, and are not successful also.

The hard core numbers may not be that large, but it is significant. There is a problem.

If black females were committing suicide at a rate of 8 to 1 compared to white males, how many seconds do you think that would remain a secret before special commissions were set up to find out what was wrong?

[DoughtyOne]

Good one,... yes I did word that terribly.

[DoughtyOne]

Well, that could be part of it.

[zeestephen]

OK if I nitpick?

You are actually calculating your percentage comparisons wrong.

For instance, the white male rate is 24.8 - The Hispanic male rate is 12.9 - The difference is 11.9.

11.9 is just 92% of 12.9, so the white male rate is only 92% higher than the Hispanic rate. You state it is 192%, which is not correct.

Same thing for female Blacks to male whites. It should be 700%, not 800%.

As to female suicides, they are always much lower than male suicides, for all ethnic groups.

Once again, I don't want to trivialize any suicide. All of them are tragic, and, according to many religions, they are unforgivable sins.

However, the total numbers really are quite small.

Among healthy adults over age 24, the rate is just 1 per 10,000.

Also, among healthy adults, almost every suicide falls into one of three categories: drug or alcohol addiction; schizophrenia or clinical depression; or a family history of suicide.

Among the young, the main cause is impulsive action often preceded by a highly emotional event.

Among the elderly, the main cause is poor health or the death of a spouse or a best friend.

I think you may agree that preventing the motives for suicide in all age groups is a really tough problem.

I will guess that religious faith, a loving spouse, strong families, meaningful work, and perhaps most important - molecular biology - prevent most people from even thinking about suicide.

[DoughtyOne]

OK if I nitpick?  Sure, why not...

You are actually calculating your percentage comparisons wrong.  No.  You just don't seem to be aware there are three or more ways to express comparisons.

For instance, the white male rate is 24.8 - The Hispanic male rate is 12.9 - The difference is 11.9.  It's difficult not to give you a snarky reply here.  Seriously?

11.9 is just 92% of 12.9, so the white male rate is only 92% higher than the Hispanic rate. You state it is 192%, which is not correct.  I tried to be careful NOT TO reference it as 192% higher.  I may have slipped up a time or two.  I'm sorry you were unable to understand that.  24.8 is 192% of 12.9.  That's all I stated.

Same thing for female Blacks to male whites. It should be 700%, not 800%.   Sure, it is 700% more, but the white male figure is still 800% of the female figure.  I did not state it was 800% more.

When you have 1 death and 8 deaths, you could reference it as 7 more deaths, 700% more, or 800% of the single count.  8 deaths is 800% of 1 death.  Comparing 100% to 800% seems rather clear to me.

As to female suicides, they are always much lower than male suicides, for all ethnic groups.  Doesn't make any difference here.  The figures are what I addressed.  I made no reference to any other age group.  If your comment is accurate, then that is another inequity which needs to be addressed.  Why is it reasoned to just accept that the female suicide rates are always less, and be done with it?  If the female rate is that much lower, shouldn't our goal be to get the male rate down?  Why did you feel compelled to make this statement?

Once again, I don't want to trivialize any suicide. All of them are tragic, and, according to many religions, they are unforgivable sins.  I agree with this.

However, the total numbers really are quite small.  As I stated to another poster, the actual suicide number is not the whole story.  If ten actually commit suicide, how many thought of it seriously enough  to try and fail?  How many thought of it and didn't?  How many just experienced elevated depression.  If the white male figure is 800% of the black female figure, then you can count on all these categories being around 800% of the black female numbers.

Among healthy adults over age 24, the rate is just 1 per 10,000.  Thank you.  What that has to do with the figures here, I have no idea.  What is your axe to grind here?  You find the information I provided to be distrubing?  It appears you are trying to trivialize the numbers I presented here.  You're having a very hard time addressing them.  You procede to evade them through much of your post.

Also, among healthy adults, almost every suicide falls into one of three categories: drug or alcohol addiction; schizophrenia or clinical depression; or a family history of suicide.  Okay.  So what?  I didn't address adult suicide?  Why are you?

Among the young, the main cause is impulsive action often preceded by a highly emotional event.  Okay.  Again, so what?  Do you think white males go through this 800% compared to 100%, white males vs black females.  I doubt that is true.  I made no statement about why these young people were doing this.  I simply put the numbers out there and compared them.  I wasn't the only one to do so, or I wouldn't have had the numbers to present..

Among the elderly, the main cause is poor health or the death of a spouse or a best friend.  Okay.  You seem to be procupied with other age groups.  What has cause got to do with this age group, when everyone in the age group is going through the same period in thier life?  Why do you persist in introducing other age groups and then causes into this, when I provided only a specific age group and no causes?

I think you may agree that preventing the motives for suicide in all age groups is a really tough problem.  LOL, what would be the point of addressing that?  This presentation did not address all age groups.  I merely addressed the study I found.  These young people being in the prime of their life, you don't find this interesting?

I will guess that religious faith, a loving spouse, strong families, meaningful work, and perhaps most important - molecular biology - prevent most people from even thinking about suicide.  Okay.  Once again, it simply does not refernce the information I provided.

Perhaps you should have worked up numbers for other groups and started your own thread on the forum, and left my thread alone.

You could have then presented the percentages the way you wanted to.

[arthurus]

That's "aspersions." No, I am mimicking the attitude of old time people and of modern liberals among themselves. I divide those people into groups, one is wetbacks which should be self explanatory and the other is composed of Juan and Lucia and Mr. Mendoza and Mrs. Muñoz, etc. "spiks" is quite an outmoded epithet, actually, but it expresses that attitude best. Southerners don't use that term any more. When you work with them you discover they are individual people. Liberals still treat them as a Group that has a different culture that must be maintained in order to keep the votes coming. They treat Negroes that way, too, and women.

[DoughtyOne]

Okay, thanks for the correction.

I don’t generally call illegal aliens wetbacks, but it is a term that has been around for a long time, and it plays into the idea these folks either physically or ideologically pass through the Rio Grande on their way into our nation. I don’t particularly see it as any more offensive than illegal alien, which is what I address them as.

I agree that “spik” is an old term. If I’ve heard folks use it more than a half dozen times in my life, it would surprise me.

I have a sister-in-law that has Mexican ancestry. I had a wife who had Mexican ancestry. I’ve met their extended families and liked them very much. I do no look at Mexicans as evil people. There are some great little towns in Mexico with some real salt of the earth people in them.

Many of them are good Catholics and try to live a good Christian life. I am not a big fan of their government, and it angers me how little it seems to care about the standard of living of it’s people.

When it comes to illegal aliens though, the law is the law. If they did not comply with our immigration laws, it’s their problem, not ours when it comes to dealing with the consequences.

I agree that the Left tries to game the races, for political gain. I consider that pure evil.

I advocate our side address the same issues for foreign nationals that they do for citizens.

Safer neighborhoods
Less crime
Good education system for children
Less taxes on families
Our laws to be equally enforced on everyone
Helping businesses create jobs by implementing good tax law

There are more, but you get my drift.

[Political Junkie Too]

“white privilege” actually means “white accomplishment” 

It's actually much simpler than that.

Even before accomplishment, "white privilege" means "white work ethic."

That's why it's an attempt to turn the language around from "acting white," which was black-on-black peer pressure to under-perform, into "white privilege," which makes the under-performers into victims.

-PJ

[zeestephen]

Re: “I tried to be careful NOT TO reference it as 192% higher.  I may have slipped up a time or two.”

You used the word “higher” five times and the word “more” four times.

In any event, why would you express yourself like this: “24.8 is 192% of 12.9.”

If both rates were 12.9, would you write “12.9 is 100% of 12.9.”

Of course not. 100% is just 1.0 times any number you want to multiple. You would just say they were the “same rate.”

As for the rest of your Comments, I return to my original thesis:

The risk that any human being will even attempt suicide in his/her lifetime is less than one percent.

The only way we can significantly reduce that already tiny number is to savagely attack personal liberty...

Confiscate all guns, confiscate all alcohol, prohibit all pain medication, incarcerate everyone who shows signs of mental illness or personal grief...

The list is endless.

[DoughtyOne]

Anyone who read that post could see the raw numbers for themselves.

I don’t care if you like how I posted this or not.

I suspect you have the tools to grasp what was presented, and I think the other folks do too.

If you don’t, well..., not my problem.

[DoughtyOne]

You trailing comments about stopping suicides once again addresses something I never addressed, or even remotely suggested.

Where did you get the idea I was advocating gun control?

Good grief.

[DoughtyOne]

In any event, why would you express yourself like this: “24.8 is 192% of 12.9.”

Well, because it is.

Yikes, this has been hard for you hasn’t it.

Yes I did refer improperly to them being 192% more. That was not appropriate.

With the raw figures there, I’m pretty sure most folks would be able to gleen the truth of it from the post.

If not, well, I’m not sure my using the proper terms would have helped.

[kearnyirish2]

I call it the “WASP culture”; I’m not a WASP, but I understand how that culture contributed to most of our advancements.

[arthurus]

“Spik” is originally from the repeated phrase, “I no spik English.”

[DoughtyOne]

I wouldn't know. It may be true, but you couldn't prove it by me.

My naamme, is Jose Imanes...

[arthurus]

Jose Jimenez.

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, when I was typing that it didn’t look right.

Thanks.