Posted on 10/12/2017 10:10:25 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Ahhh...and you BELIEVE China!
There are places in china where you can not even breath without a mask. They are starting two new coal fired power plants every week. The existing construction means at least one new plant comes online every week through 2020. Yet they have to import coal and oil now. And you really want to use them as your model for clean energy independence? Here, read this. It’s from greenpeace, I’m sure you agree with them.
There's a big difference between donating to a politician because you want to pollute more and donating to him because you know his opponent has every intention of imposing a carbon tax scheme on the country in order to provide a global government with a means of raising revenue and imposing rules without the consent of the governed.
There's a big difference between donating to a politician because you want to pollute more and donating to him because you know his opponent's party's leader has stated openly that they intend to destroy your industry domestically. Sourcewatch lacks the ability to show intent.
Who else could they donate to given the opposition?
Since you love China...move there!
Every nation has made a commitment so type into the search box whichever country followed by renewable energy.
Like Vietnam renewable energy or Chile renewable energy
The Paris Treaty was never submitted to the Senate for ratification. As such, it was never binding on the US. OBAMA signed it, and now OBAMA is gone. BooHoo for you.
Pretty sad when someone loves China and hates Trump and conservatives.
You see how it works, Mr Mow-Ron? Next year it will be COP24.
In all those years neither you nor any of the other Mow-Rons claimed that COPs were treaties. You never claimed that COP3 Kyoto was a treaty. Bill Clinton signed it and GW Bush unsigned it. That should be simple enough for a Mow-Ron to understand.
And just like Bush, Trump is going to unsign the COP agreement that Obama signed, but the US will still be a party to the UN treaty on Global Warming that was signed and ratified in 1992.
Instead of worrying about me who is only an anonymous poster, you should worry about the many corporations such as Apple or General Electric that supported the COP21 Agreement. Or the US States and municipalities that supported COP 21, or the individual members of Trump's staff that supported COP21 because who knows what any of them might do.
Be careful dealing with Ben. He will tell you the science is “settled” (which is the most stupid anti-science proposition the greenie-weenies have used) and then refuse to accept anything else you say and insult you and act like a DU bottom feeder.
And they’ve also added over 300 new coal plants in the last few years and have plans to add another 300+ in the next 10. So, please stop with your cultist propaganda. It’s sickening that someone like you is even here. We believe in freedom and you believe in enslavement. Just stop.
Yes. The Trump administration (which involves THE ENTIRE FRIGGIN UNITED STATES) refused to comply with a plan that does NOTHING to address what it claims to address, and does EVERYTHING to economically punish the United States to take TRILLIONS from our economy and shift them to China, India and many 3rd world dictators. This was a shakedown. And you keep touting it over and over. GET OUT OF HERE. Your “Greenpeace is too far to the right” attitude, refusal to actually discuss facts, dismissal of any presentation of ANYTHING that doesn’t slavishly promote your cult and attacks on people do not belong here. Go back to DU.
Actually, you don’t KNOW what I’ve objected to over the years. But the “Paris Accord” was never approved by Congress, and anyone can exit a treaty - even a formal one - if they conclude it was fraudulent. For the record, I strongly objected to Kyoto.
Kyoto also was never submitted to the Senate, because it also lacked the votes.”Before the protocol was finalized, in July 1997, the Senate resolved by a 95 to 0 vote that the United States should not sign any agreement that omitted binding targets for developing countries or that would seriously harm the U.S. economy.”
Since Kyoto violated the Byrd–Hagel resolution, there was no chance to get it approved. So Bill Clinton didn’t submit it.
“In all those years neither you nor any of the other Mow-Rons claimed that COPs were treaties.”
Wrong, Moron.
“Although the Protocol is not legally binding until the Senate ratifies it, the Administration knows the United States is bound by its word. By approving the treaty, the Administration signaled its intent to begin implementing it without Senate ratification... If the Kyoto Protocol is good enough to sign, it should be good enough to submit to the Senate for ratification—as the U.S. Constitution requires.” - November 23, 1998
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/why-the-kyoto-signing-signals-disregard-congress
“The US signed the Protocol on 12 November 1998,[92] during the Clinton presidency. To become binding in the US, however, the treaty had to be ratified by the Senate, which had already passed the 1997 non-binding Byrd-Hagel Resolution, expressing disapproval of any international agreement that did not require developing countries to make emission reductions and “would seriously harm the economy of the United States”. The resolution passed 95-0.[93] Therefore, even though the Clinton administration signed the treaty,[94] it was never submitted to the Senate for ratification.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol#Non-ratification_by_the_US
But now you say there is because China is building coal plants.
To accurately respond, you are correct that China will be building new coal plants, but the amount of coal used in China has fallen for 3 consecutive years. And will continue to fall.
All of the tracking organizations confirm that China is on track to meet the commitments made at COP21 for 2030 and will probably achieve those commitments earlier than 2030.
OTOH, the US has said they have no intentions of even trying to meet the commitments made and actually hope to break them by a significant margin.
No doubt China recognizes that meeting their commitments is a very cheap way to best the US in the world court of public opinion.
There may or may not be global warming. It might take a few hundred years to figure out - is it a trend or a blip? But what most of us deny is that there is any MAN-CAUSED global warming.
Even if there is man-caused global warming, which I do not believe, then China’s actions will be for whatever is best for China. They will lie about their emissions, and their emissions will be worse than the USA.
Triple-whammy. China’s cheating will prevent any USA action from stopping the non-man caused global warming, which may not exist at all. Medieval Warm Period, anyone, lasting 300 years, followed by “the Little Ice Age”, lasting 500 years? Did man cause those, and how does a 300-500 year trend get detected in 50 years?
I never said that Global Warming was occurring because of China building coal plants. Go back and learn to read, you lying cultist.
You are completely delusional. They’re building new coal plants every week or so and you’re claiming they’re still going to use less coal? What planet are you from? It’s certainly not Earth.
You are beyond sick. You lie, you twist words, you defend a cult, you attack conservatives, you go on and on and on and on and STILL refuse to answer even ONE basic question. So, GO AWAY LEFTIST TROLL. You belong on DU. Your attitude towards this is disgusting.
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