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Fake News Alert: “Unsecured Guns” Kill Kids
Ammoland ^ | 25 October, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/27/2017 4:00:21 AM PDT by marktwain

If people are sincerely interested in reducing the number of children that are killed with guns in the United States, it ill serves them to lie about the numbers.

It creates distrust in everything that they say. It creates suspicion about their real motives.

In a story out of Flint, Michigan, the reporter claims that “the agencies” say that more than 7,000 children are killed every year in the United States “from” unsecured guns.

From abc12.com (WJRT):

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Flint Police Department are passing out 300 gun locks to keep children safe.

The agencies say more than 7,000 children are killed every year from unsecured guns in the United States.

That number is false. The total number of people under the are of 18, who were killed with firearms, unsecured or not, was 1458, about 20% of the claimed figure.  It is unknown how many of those were with “unsecured” firearms. The term “unsecured” is undefined in the story.

A quick check with WISQARS, the database maintained by the CDC, shows the real numbers for the last year available, 2015.

From the  Center for Disease Control (CDC) for 2015, the latest year available, 77 people under the age of 18 were killed in fatal firearm accidents that year. It is unknown how many of those firearms were unsecured. Clearly, many were secured, as many of those fatal accidents occurred at the hands of an adult.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; children; guns; kids
People who want a disarmed population do not care if the numbers they use are false.
1 posted on 10/27/2017 4:00:21 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Molon labe.


2 posted on 10/27/2017 4:04:59 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: hitting center of mass)
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To: marktwain

Once stated, it is hard to rescind. People will believe what they first hear/see and will fail to take the time to authenticate the facts.


3 posted on 10/27/2017 4:09:41 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: marktwain

Once stated, it is hard to rescind. People will believe what they first hear/see and will fail to take the time to authenticate the facts. Simply, tell them what you want them to hear.


4 posted on 10/27/2017 4:10:14 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: marktwain

This may be true since (and according to the Obamao administration) people are “children” until they’re 26.


5 posted on 10/27/2017 4:10:28 AM PDT by albie
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To: marktwain

Teach children to safely handle firearms instead of screaming at them “Don’t Touch~!” My father taught me to shoot at age five and also my siblings when they were young. No accidents ever happened even though the firearms were “Unsecured” and many in number in our home.


6 posted on 10/27/2017 4:20:52 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: marktwain

Initiative to be started at earliest practical date:

Introduction of a course, at high school level, that includes the care, grooming, feeding and proper lawful use and operation of side arms, from pistols to rifles and shotguns, with remedial training if the basics are not gained by first part of course. Further instruction in range safety, acquisition and framing of intended target, target practice, accuracy of aiming and firing of weapon, and basic bodily control, like positioning, breath control, and operation of the mechanics of squeezing trigger, allowing for cartridge shell ejection, and re-cocking the weapon, then re-aiming for next pull of the trigger. This applies to bolt-action, lever action, and semi-automatic designs.

In the process, the persons least likely to absorb and apply these lessons would be fairly quickly identified, and like those of low athletic potential, swiftly shifted to a less “threatening” course of instruction, like how to evade and take cover from others who mean to direct harm at them, “bully defense”.

Now THAT would be sensible gun control.


7 posted on 10/27/2017 4:24:37 AM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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To: Mollypitcher1

You are absolutely correct. We’ve taught people to be terrified of guns instead of knowing how to handle them, use them, and even potentially disarm an attacker. I learned to handle a gun at age 8. Both handgun and rifles. A few years ago a guy I was dating and I went out to a family place for a summer get together. We were far enough out that we could take target practice from the back porch! Needless to say, even though my gentleman was conservative by nature, it scared the hell out of him! When I found him hiding inside in the living room I asked what was wrong? He said he was ‘shocked.’ I laughed and reminded him that there were 5 Marines on the back deck who more than no how to handle a gun. He finally came out and took a few potshots.

But, the point of my little story here is, modern city people are terrified of guns.

I think the number the article is trying to quote isn’t just accidents. Willful murder isn’t an accident.

I have several clients that have a shotgun sitting by the front door. One asked if they should put it away while we were doing house/pet visits for them. I explained it was entirely up to them, but everyone on our team is a concealed carry and while we could defend ourselves; walking in on someone using their shotgun isn’t something we want staff to encounter.


8 posted on 10/27/2017 4:35:39 AM PDT by EBH ( May God Save the Republic)
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I think the number the article is trying to quote isn’t just accidents. Willful murder isn’t an accident.


If you look at the graphic, you will see that accidents, homicides, and suicides are all addressed.


9 posted on 10/27/2017 4:52:07 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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How is a “secured” gun even fired? Is not every gun “unsecured” when it is used by a hunter? by a target shooter? by a criminal?

When my life was saved by a bystander who pulled out his gun, was that not an unsecured gun?

The whole concept and usage of unsecured perplexes me. I’m not into guns. But the wording seems weird to me.


10 posted on 10/27/2017 5:04:41 AM PDT by spintreebob
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I remember that my grandfather, who lived with us, kept his two revolvers locked in his safe when I was a child. His and my father’s rifles and shotguns were kept in a gun rack in the back of a closet that did not have a lock. I was taught the difference between my Kilgore cap pistols and real guns. I was told and obeyed that I was not to touch the real guns unless either my father or grandfather took me out to shoot one of them. I was allowed to shoot them on my own when I was 11 or 12 years old, but had to ask permission first.


11 posted on 10/27/2017 5:14:24 AM PDT by GreyFriar ((Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87))
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To: marktwain

I know it is probably one in a million but I had a co-worker who lost a son this way. He was sleeping over at a friend’s house.


12 posted on 10/27/2017 5:20:18 AM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: Mollypitcher1

Same here. When he was three, my son asked if he could see my guns. It had been many months since he had seen any guns. We went up to my room and I pulled a couple of them out. I went through the safety rules except the one about not putting your finger on the trigger until ready to fire.

I handed him a small .380 and he held it, trying his hardest to stretch his little finger across the trigger guard. That’s at the age of three.

I’ve always believed in gun proofing your kids instead of kid proofing your guns.

3 of my four kids are gun owners. The fourth isn’t opposed, just hasn’t bought one yet.


13 posted on 10/27/2017 5:22:27 AM PDT by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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To: Lisbon1940

There are about 10 small children who die in accidents involving firearms each year.

So it is about 1 in 30 million.

But with a population of 330 million, they happen.


14 posted on 10/27/2017 5:58:30 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

Ban shoes! The kid the other day was nearly killed for his Air Jordans.

Ban hands! The other day, a guy was arrested for chocking his gf.

Ban cars and bathtubs and kitchen knives and all choking hazards and planes and dogs and people.


15 posted on 10/27/2017 8:19:08 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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