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To: TBP

If the Universe always existed, then we’re once again pointing to God.
It was the atheist “scientists” that believed in the so-called “steady-state” universe that always existed, so that actually points away from God (take note of some of the scientists involved here). Red shift is still a real phenomenon, showing an expanding universe and disproving the ideas of the atheists; and it was Georges LeMaître, the Catholic theologian, that came up with what is today called the Big Bang theory and not the atheists.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in …

— Isaiah 40:22
That one verse describes a spherical earth and the expanding universe. Of course, skeptics try to say that Hebrew חוּג (chug) can only mean circle and never sphere, but their proof is tenuous, trying to cite the word דּוּר (dur, translated “ball” in Isaiah 22:18 and appearing only in this verse) as the only word that can mean “sphere” even though Strong’s indicates that it means either “circle, ball or pile”; and does not negate the other word meaning sphere at all.
28 posted on 10/29/2017 4:44:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

What do we know about God (one’s particular theology aside)? The defining characteristics of God would be eternality and infinity. (i.e. God would be infinite and eternal.)

So a Universe that has always existed (and has no boundary) points directly to God.

To say that the Big Bang never occurred is not to say that the Universe hasn’t changed and evolved over time.

At the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless;
Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is,
But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards,
Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point,
There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. (T.S. Eliot)


68 posted on 10/29/2017 6:15:10 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Olog-hai

Red shift theory is precisely the problem with Big Bang cosmology.

Astrophysicist Halton Arp has written excellent books about this.

In a nutshell, the assumption that red shift relates totally to relative velocity has been refuted. This in turn refutes the whole cosmology of the 20th century, including Big Bang, Dark Matter etc.

For that matter, Dark Matter was essentially refuted by the famous Higgs boson experiments at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. These experiments covered the energy ranges where evidence of Dark Matter was expected by theory, and NOTHING WAS FOUND.

Of course, this is not a headline, because it collapses the whole edifice of Big Bang cosmology.

For those who may not know: Dark Matter is nothing but a FUDGE FACTOR to make the General Relativistic equations comply with the ASSUMED BIG BANG Universe.

Physics is in for a MAJOR EMBARRASSMENT, sooner or later, over the whole BIG BANG FIASCO.


126 posted on 10/30/2017 7:05:38 AM PDT by Disestablishmentarian
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To: Olog-hai
Olog-hai: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in …
— Isaiah 40:22"

Thanks for that discussion on this verse.
Most translations say, as here, "circle of the earth", but not all:

  1. (CEB) God inhabits the earth’s horizon— its inhabitants are like locusts— stretches out the skies like a curtain and spreads it out like a tent for dwelling.

  2. (CEV) God is the one who rules the whole earth, and we that live here are merely insects. He spread out the heavens like a curtain or an open tent.

  3. (DRA) It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

  4. (GW) God is enthroned above the earth, and those who live on it are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the sky like a canopy and spreads it out like a tent to live in.

  5. (GNT) It was made by the one who sits on his throne above the earth and beyond the sky; the people below look as tiny as ants. He stretched out the sky like a curtain, like a tent in which to live.

  6. (MSG) God sits high above the round ball of earth. The people look like mere ants. He stretches out the skies like a canvas— yes, like a tent canvas to live under.

  7. (NABRE) The one who is enthroned above the vault of the earth, its inhabitants like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in,

  8. (NIRV) God sits on his throne high above the earth. Its people look like grasshoppers to him. He spreads out the heavens like a cover. He sets it up like a tent to live in.

137 posted on 10/31/2017 3:40:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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