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1 posted on 11/01/2017 5:41:00 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 11/01/2017 5:44:36 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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The Reformation was a return to Biblical truth, and exposed massive corruption in the Catholic Church. It is not to blame for the evils of Islam. Islam is to blame for the evils of Islam.


3 posted on 11/01/2017 5:45:43 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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Constantinople fell in 1453. The East was lost to Christianity at that point and the Ottoman Turks were a unified and dominant force. Crusading was no longer an option. The rift between Catholics and Protestants was not really a significant factor, I think. It was simple reality.

I think it is a reach to imply that the West became “pro-Islam” because of Luther.


4 posted on 11/01/2017 5:48:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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>>That the Protestant Reformation unwittingly benefited Islam should not be interpreted as an attack on the Reformation or a defense of Catholicism. Nor does it say anything about the theological merits, or truths, of either.

But the Reformation is ONLY about the theological truths. Luther wanted to have a conversation with the Roman Church about them. They chose to split by excommunication, persecution, execution.


5 posted on 11/01/2017 5:48:54 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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I disagree. The Pope has the sole source of Christian writing means of production was very much in line with islam.

It is because the church obsessed on Protestants and found more kinship in kalifatic theocratic politics that islam came back in resurgence.

In any case, we see today Pope Francis veiled attack on US protestant representative government in the manner of his entitled demands for 80 million a year worth of subsidies to house illegals and islamic terrorists who have no intention on honoring representation but screwing us. And these subsidies making America a Catholic theocracy must be paid by dhimmited protestants.

Luther did not criticize the opposition to islam and freeing the Middle East from heathens, but the globalist entitled Catholic-militaro industrial complex of the days which aimed to tax people to impose the church’s opinion making in militarized schools. The French revolution promise of funding and caring for the Church was also welcomed by many catholics.

The Catholic church found itself thus negociating with muslims in the mid-East instead of welcoming a Protestant confederation the way the Swiss did it. The Swiss Neutrality and Calvin never invited islam, quite the opposite, They went up mountains as a defensive measure and to prevent European entanglements in globalist entitled dramas.


6 posted on 11/01/2017 5:52:43 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucifiedc)
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That’s the birth of relativism religious and intellectual or philosophical .
St Peter the venerable Abbey of CLUNY in the 11th century accuratly stated that islam was a kind of arianism .....and a pretext for violence and aggressive expansion and robberies


9 posted on 11/01/2017 6:01:41 AM PDT by Ulysse
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Historically it was ostensibly Catholic France that shortly after the fall of Constantinople embraced the Ottoman empire. It even allowed the Turkish fleet to winter in French ports. France shamelessly pursued mercantile and strategic advantages from the Ottomans fully aware what the Ottomans were doing to Christians in Turkey,the Balkans and Greece. The culmination of that embrace was when France stood idle when the Turks were at the gates of Vienna.


12 posted on 11/01/2017 6:15:30 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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Author contends X promotes Y, because X was adamantly against Y _and_ was motivated to oppose Z who also was adamantly against Y? Huh?

This is a veiled & imputed instance of the misguided aphorism “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” - in this case, “the enemy (Islam) of my enemy (Catholicism) is my (Protestantism) friend” - no, they all hate each other.


13 posted on 11/01/2017 6:16:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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Interesting article by Raymond Ibrahim. Thanks for posting.


18 posted on 11/01/2017 6:32:10 AM PDT by PGalt
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How Lutherans were created. See video at 1:30

Lisa Creates Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx8D9jXswws


24 posted on 11/01/2017 9:49:46 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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Not sure if you’re on SJackon’s ping list.


28 posted on 11/01/2017 1:38:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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The Catholic French Kings were soft on the Turks because they had a common enemy in the Habsburgs, who were also Catholic.

Politics, imperialism, and dynastic ambitions divided the west, even when religion wasn't an issue.

30 posted on 11/01/2017 5:09:30 PM PDT by x
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