Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

VA rejects push to alter ‘sexist’ motto: ‘Lincoln’s words are Lincoln’s words’
The Washington Times ^ | November 2, 2017 | Douglas Ernst

Posted on 11/02/2017 10:14:58 AM PDT by jazusamo

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-34 last
To: Kickass Conservative

>>>Try that “Living Document” stuff the next time you are forced to “revise” your side of a Legal Contract<<<

OOPS: Let me “revise” that. LOL

Try that “Living Document” stuff the next time you WANT TO “revise” your side of a Legal Contract.


21 posted on 11/02/2017 10:34:00 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative ( Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.Does the Government)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: dangus
I wouldn’t mind too much if it were changed ...
You give an inch, they'll take a mile. We're at war with the Left - take NO prisoners.
22 posted on 11/02/2017 10:43:51 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

“You give an inch, they’ll take a mile. We’re at war with the Left - take NO prisoners.”

Preach it.

Besides, keeping “him” reminds us that females have no place in combat. Or the military, really, except as nurses.


23 posted on 11/02/2017 11:09:14 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: dangus
"It’s really only a modest translation, not a full-bodied re-write."

Are those the words of President Lincoln, or not? If you don't see the problem, you're part of it.

24 posted on 11/02/2017 11:24:34 AM PDT by semaj (Audentes fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold. Be Bold FRiends.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
I think there is only one possible motto that is not racist, sexist, homophobic, or some-other-phobic:

is

This simple, one-word motto depends on the definition of the word "is" so you can always claim it means something other than what the readers thinks even when they come up with a reason why it is racist/sexists/.... When they challenge your claim -and they will if they don't like your organization- you can steer the conversation to Bill Clinton.

25 posted on 11/02/2017 11:43:02 AM PDT by LostPassword
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

As if ‘Man’ or ‘Mankind’ did not refer to both man and woman.........

...the derp is strong...

KYPD


26 posted on 11/02/2017 11:43:20 AM PDT by petro45acp (" It IS About Islam: exposing the truth about ISIS, Al Qaeda, Iran, and the caliphate" by Glenn Beck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dangus

Widowed spouses


27 posted on 11/02/2017 11:44:30 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Flick Lives

Except Neil meant “for a man.” And mankind explicitly means both genders.

And in Shakespeare, Caesar was addressing a crowd which excluded women, but even so “countrymen” implies both genders.

On the other hand, because “widows” refers specifically to women, Lincoln’s quote becomes confusing. To the extent that its modern usage is meant to include all veterans, directly quoting Lincoln is a problem, easily rectified by presuming a translation.


28 posted on 11/02/2017 12:12:47 PM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: livius
I've got an idea: how about the VA concentrated solely on fixing the broken VA? There are so many Vets who are sick, miserable, depressed, and fed-up with this system.

While there is plenty to criticize the VA about, use of "wrong" pronouns ain't one of them. Maybe these gender-warriors should spend some time emptying bed pans and find out what really needs to be done.

29 posted on 11/02/2017 12:22:05 PM PDT by Martin Tell (Honey Badger Don't Care.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: dangus

dangus wrote:
I understand the anger at the PC censors, but I wouldn’t mind too much if it were changed to “To care for those who shall have borne the battle and for their widows, and orphans.”

It’s really only a modest translation, not a full-bodied re-write.

However, it’s not what Pres. Lincoln said, so it’s not a quote. Now, if they want to remove it as a quote, and put it as a general mission (ugh, new agey “Mission Statement”), then fine. But it’s not a quote from Pres. Lincoln anymore.

“If it’s on the internet, it must be true” - William Shakespeare


30 posted on 11/02/2017 12:33:28 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: dangus
No.

No, rewrite. Modest or not. He said what he said. History should not be subject to the delicate little feelings of the easily offended.

31 posted on 11/02/2017 12:33:35 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: ro_dreaming

I agree they shouldn’t attribute it directly to Lincoln if they re-word it. But my understanding was that the context was a motto.


32 posted on 11/02/2017 12:55:59 PM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: dangus

Abraham Lincoln wrote it the way he wanted to say it.
Neither you (or me), nor anyone else has earned the right to re-write it.
If you want some PC quote for the ages, sit down and write your own.


33 posted on 11/02/2017 1:34:56 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks jazusamo.
Lincoln’s second inaugural address in 1865 has been deemed “sexist” as a VA motto by the nonprofit organization Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. The group wrote a letter to VA Secretary David Shulkin this week demanding a change, which it says would “better support women.” The motto in question, in place since 1959, reads: “To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan.”

34 posted on 11/04/2017 6:02:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-34 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson