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The Saudis Are a Regional Menace
The American Conservative ^ | November 15, 2017 | Daniel Larison

Posted on 11/15/2017 4:42:48 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

Tensions are rising over the continued absence of the Lebanese Prime Minister from Lebanon:

Lebanese President Michel Aoun said on Wednesday that Saudi Arabia had detained Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri, the first time he had said so publicly, and called it an act of aggression against Lebanon.

Saudi Arabia’s heavy-handed interference in Lebanon is just the most recent in a series of clumsy attempts to intimidate and bully other countries in the region. The campaign against Qatar that began earlier this year was a crude attempt to force their neighbor into abandoning its relatively independent foreign policy, and it predictably failed and inspired Qatar to be even less willing to fall in line. Two and a half years of cruelly pummeling and starving Yemen have created the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, but the war has brought the coalition no closer to its goal of subduing that country and installing their preferred puppet government. Snatching Hariri has likewise blown up in their faces.

We are seeing a pattern of destabilizing, destructive behavior from the Saudis in the last few years that confirms that the kingdom is a regional menace and a threat to peace and stability. The U.S. has enabled or encouraged much of this behavior, and as long as the Saudis believe that they can act without suffering damage to the relationship with Washington they will likely continue to create new crises and headaches. It is long past time that the U.S. downgraded its noxious relationship with Riyadh for the sake of our interests and for the sake of the entire region.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: saudiarabia
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I guess the Saudis are acting on the assumption that American troops and military expenditures will be able to clean up any mess they make.
1 posted on 11/15/2017 4:42:49 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

muslims are a world wide menace.


2 posted on 11/15/2017 4:51:13 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The Saudis should have been our first take-down in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.


3 posted on 11/15/2017 4:52:58 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It is long past time that the U.S. downgraded its noxious relationship with Riyadh for the sake of our interests and for the sake of the entire region.

And let them fall under Iranian control? Because that seems to be the option right now - either support Saudi Arabia against Iranian encirclement, or let the Saudis go. The new prince has arrested or purged many of the older Saudi princes and billionaires who shake hands with the Bushes and covertly send millions to fund Islamic radicals, he seems to be cracking down on Islamism in his country and promising a more modern Saudi Arabia - it seems to me that this is precisely the kind of Arab leadership we should support.
4 posted on 11/15/2017 4:58:51 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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Until this article, I thought that EVERYONE believed that the Russians and the Iranians were the No. 1 bad boys in that region. After all, that’s what Bolton and McCain believe.


5 posted on 11/15/2017 5:03:58 AM PST by Socon-Econ
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Blow Them Up!
Blow Them Up!
Blow Them Up!


6 posted on 11/15/2017 5:05:18 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Go to the source and you can read Trump’s Unsuccessful Asia Trip by the same author or The IAEA Confirms Iran’s Nuclear Deal Compliance Once Again or Trump’s Anti-Restraint Foreign Policy. No thanks.


7 posted on 11/15/2017 5:10:05 AM PST by Stentor
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

You have it exactly right. Caroline Glick agrees with you:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268429/pining-fig-leaves-caroline-glick


8 posted on 11/15/2017 5:14:00 AM PST by Blennos ( As)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Sounds like the author is a shill for the Iranians and ISIS.

The Saudis are no saint, but the recent developments are all in the favor of the west.

They are attempting to get the terrorists under control (mostly because of pressure by President Trump).


9 posted on 11/15/2017 5:14:04 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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As far as I can see, Saudi Arabia is now very divided. The Old Guard is Wahabist, and a serious problem for the world. I believe the Young Turks (so to speak) are actively trying to reform and not be quite so crazy. Trump is working with these people, and there is at least some reason for optimism.

I don’t think this is a period in time when we can make any simple pronouncement about “the Saudis”.


10 posted on 11/15/2017 5:16:07 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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But if we look at the people clamoring loudest for confrontation and conflict with Iran, we will generally see the people who were the loudest proponents of the disaster of the Iraq War. Why should we ever trust them again?


11 posted on 11/15/2017 5:16:28 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: MarvinStinson

Yeah...exactly who over there ISN’T a menace? Israel is my only guess. Kuwait, maybe?


12 posted on 11/15/2017 5:21:01 AM PST by gr8eman (Facts and evidence are bourgeois constructs weaponized by patriarchal penis-people)
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But if we look at the people clamoring loudest for confrontation and conflict with Iran, we will generally see the people who were the loudest proponents of the disaster of the Iraq War. Why should we ever trust them again?

Can't argue. I have a problem with the pro mullah slant of this commentator. It's so obvious that it makes you wonder who fills his brown envelopes.

13 posted on 11/15/2017 5:23:38 AM PST by Stentor
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The problem is that they are not confining themselves to domestic concerns. Their ham fisted Lebanon intervention is going a long way towards making Hezbollah the champion of all the Lebanese.


14 posted on 11/15/2017 5:24:05 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

That’s the “dilemma” since the old guard clearly were al-Qaeda supporters and sympathizers supporting the jihadists in Syria.

President Trump places hope in the new leaders but its hard for me to swallow.

Our deeply in debt nation needs foreign financial resources to stay afloat.

President Trump did the “sword dance” with the Saudi leaders in May when he visited and got promises to buy weapons and invest in American infrastructure.


15 posted on 11/15/2017 5:27:03 AM PST by Spiridon
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To: Stentor

The Iranians are no American friends. But as a 4,000 year old nation, they are inherently less dangerous and destabilizing than other Mideast entities. I think one of the stupidest decisions the Israeli leadership ever made was when their stance towards Iran moved from wary detente to implacable hostility 25 years ago.


16 posted on 11/15/2017 5:30:11 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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But if we look at the people clamoring loudest for confrontation and conflict with Iran, we will generally see the people who were the loudest proponents of the disaster of the Iraq War. Why should we ever trust them again?

The war in Iraq was a disaster for us because Bush transformed it from a decade+-long low-level war where Iraq could not become stronger, and military installations were routinely bombed, to an occupation of the country. The low-level war that was the no-fly zone was feasible because Iraq saw the result of attempting to invade its neighbors during Desert Storm. And they would have had to do so in order to get at the air bases where American aircraft plinking Iraqi installations were located.

A war with Iran wouldn't involve the occupation of Iran. It would be a lot like the no-fly zone over Iraq - the destruction of military equipment and bases by aerial bombing and the conversion to rubble of infrastructure like highways, power plants, water treatment and sewage processing plants, transformer towers, etc if they resist. We can crush the Iranians in open battle. What we would be wise to avoid is that kind of attrition by guerrilla warfare that cost us 5K dead in Iraq. We can do that by not occupying Iran.

17 posted on 11/15/2017 5:31:30 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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I am afraid all a low level war would do would be to tighten the patriotic ties between the people and the Mullahs protecting the motherland against the foreign empire. Unlike the artificial entity of Iraq, Iran is an ancient nation commanding a real loyalty from its people.


18 posted on 11/15/2017 5:38:44 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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I think one of the stupidest decisions the Israeli leadership ever made was when their stance towards Iran moved from wary detente to implacable hostility 25 years ago.

That decision was Iran's, not Israel's. The mullahs decided Shiite Iran could overcome Shia Islam's reputation as a heresy among Sunnis, and raise Iran to become the leader of the (95+% Sunni) Muslim world by outhating the Jews. Iranian propaganda has the Saudi royals as converted/secret Jews. That's how much they hate Jews. They claim to tolerate Jews, but Iranian Jews are a lot like hostages.

19 posted on 11/15/2017 5:40:21 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: MarvinStinson

You said it.

ALL muslimes are a menace to civilization.

It’s just that these camel humping Neolithic throwbacks just happen to have oil underneath them, and thus lots of cash to fund our demise.


20 posted on 11/15/2017 5:40:29 AM PST by T-Bone Texan
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