Posted on 11/20/2017 2:55:01 PM PST by Swordmaker
I just went back over this thread with a fine-tooth comb and found ZERO people writing what you claim they wrote, or even hinting at such a thing. That makes you a liar. If I am wrong, please quote them verbatim.
The shooter still had fingerprints didn’t he ? How about “future” protocol established to handcuff then use his fingerprints to open his phone before he reaches room temperature ?
You sure thats not 1.7 Novemdecillion possible combinations ? ....btw really like the new tag line. Thats t-shirt worthy.
Body temperature has nothing to do with whether the TouchID works or not. It has to do with other factors including blood flow and body electrical capacitance when changes drastically at death. But the most important is the fluids still being in the fatty pads under the finger tips which are maintained by blood pressure. They'd have to catch it quite quickly for it still to work. These days, disturbing the body in situ at the death scene is not permitted until CSI is finished with it. Also, I've heard no evidence they'd found his iPhone yet. He may have left it at home.
Besides, it still takes a court order to "search" his iPhone.
if we wait a week or so, it will be a Decembedecillion. . .
Thanks for the tag line compliment. You're the first to say anything. I thought of it several months ago with all the identity idiocy. Seemed like a logical extension of the absurdities going on.
I hope there’s a decent explanation for all this kerfluffle.
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Why blame Texas? Apple’s offer was to the FBI, who didn’t respond.
> Why blame Texas? Apple’s offer was to the FBI, who didn’t respond.
Good point. In commenting on the law enforcement folks in general, I was conflating the two.
The ineptitude of law enforcement is brain-numbing. Apple made it clear early-on that they were not contacted in any way about accessing said data. Indeed, with the proper warrant, Apple will provide any data they have access to.
In fact - had law enforcement had any sense at all - they could have gotten in to the shooter’s phone (assuming he set up fingerprint security).
Agree in most cases BUT I think the events warrant the collection of evidence immediately without a search warrant due his death and the degree of his crime.... such collection may be inadmissible later but speed is of the essence in such cases “per my experience” with acts of terror. Courts can determine after the fact legality .......
That tag lines a keeper for sure.....
If Fedgov forces a backdoor are the willing to indemnify all users that get hacked through said backdoor?
Apple's offer was to all police agencies involved in the investigation, not just the FBI. This was a day after the shooting when it was announced there was an unnamed phone found associated with Kelley. Apple said that if it was an iPhone they would be glad to help and they were turned down with the statement that law enforcement "experts" would handle it.
The problem with that scenario is the legal doctrine of "the fruit of the poisoned tree." If this is the root of the concatenation of evidence that leads to other conspirators who were definitely were involved in the crime, and the investigators ONLY found them because they were in that iPhone which was opened without a proper search warrant, then ALL subsequent evidence WILL BE THROWN OUT as fruit of that original poisonous tree. . . too bad, so sad, but case law requires it. The perps walk.
We may know beyond a shadow of a doubt they did it, and find other evidence later because we WILL NOW LOOK FOR IT, but had we not known to look for it from the evidence found in that iPhone we would NEVER have known about them. . . and even that independent evidence would still be "fruit of that poisoned tree." They still walk.
That is why it HAS to be done with the right legal boxes checked. Otherwise even a first year in practice defense attorney would find it a cake walk to get his client a directed verdict of "Not Guilty," if it has gone to trial, or a dismissal with prejudice if the case has yet to go to trial, preventing the case from ever being brought by the state.
Feel free to borrow it and spread it around. Let's see if we can make it go viral.
Of course not. When have you ever heard of the government indemnifying anyone injured due to the unintended consequences of bad regulations? They just turn their eyes and walk away from the carnage they cause. Look at forest fires. . .
Agree with what your saying albeit...
Talking bout a dead guys phone here ..... evidence cant be used against him as he is DRT.
.... just gathering intel on his lone wolf or terror cell status . He won’t be an open casket in court.
It's not the dead guy they have to worry about. It's the living co-conspirators that may be revealed by evidence on the iPhone that can only be discovered by what's on that iPhone.
EXACTLY ! .......:o)
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