Posted on 12/04/2017 9:58:27 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
That’s still legal.
Torquemata?
Let’s face it, you can’t tor-que-mata anything!
Is that employment law or consumer law?
Are you suggesting that, if taken to its natural extreme, all restaurants everywhere must be forced to keep kosher/halal just in case a Muslim customer wanted take-out?
-PJ
Interesting story, but that sounds more like a contract/lease dispute than anything else. Starbucks probably has a lease that says they must keep their locations in those malls open for all of the hours when the mall itself is open.
But if neither Fred nor Doug is the one buying the cake from me, then how can I be discriminating against them? :-)
I’ve been saying this on FR for a while. The baker is not discriminating against a person but an event. He will serve any person. He will sell cakes already made to anyone and will gladly make a birthday (or whatever) cake for anyone. Being FORCED into a contract to provide something for an EVENT to which you have a conscientious objection to is nothing but tyranny. The government has no right to tell you whom you must enter contracts with.
The western states I’ve checked into(Nebraska, Washington, North/South Dakota)were created by federal laws that requires the state to guarantee “perfect” religious freedom.
This is Federal Civil Rights law.
Here is a good synopsis: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance
Apparently my understanding was based on STATE and not Federal law; though your example could be extended to Federal law.
I guess my original point is where the plaintiffs have standing here. The State law runs contradictory to similar Federal statutes. These are typically the kind of cases that SCOTUS will hear.
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I’d like to see these 35 large companies react to being told who they MUST contract with and how, or go out of business.
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Funny, you sound like the Free Market still exists and thrives in the once American Republic.
- Licensing to exist\can(not) be bought\sold
- Engineering by taxes
- Govt monopolies\’guilds’ (unions)
- Bureaucratic State (’rules & regs’ w/ color of law)
- EEOC\’Civil Rights’ laws\etc.
- H’Care\other forced bennnies\govt pushed-down (unemployment insurance, SS\FICA, employment validation)
Even IF/when the corp. tax rate comes down, I still can’t see why anyone would come back to these shores....Not like govt has reduced in size to make up for the (temporary) tax rate(s).
Imagine that. Big companies hoping for big government to crush the small businessman. And to trample religion at the same time.
I am not surprised.
Well, plus Christians don’t tend to behead you if you don’t go along with their wishes.
Christians are being singled out.
“The government has no right to tell you whom you must enter contracts with.”
Custom wedding cakes and floral design are public accommodations, but Twitter is apparently not.
I’d agree with that. Twitter is a $hit show, where almost everyone hides behind a fake name. Unless you’re verified, and I tried to get myself verified a few times, it means nothing. You could be anyone or anything on Twitter. Including a bot.
The case is not discrimination against any person. The cakemaker has been required to create a work that personally offends him. His issue is with the cake, not the customer. He is perfectly happy to serve the customer. He retains personal control over the objects he creates and chooses not to create an object that celebrates what he considers evil.
Or to put it more bluntly, the extension of “civil rights” to cover people who simply have mental illnesses or choose to engage in some form of deviant behavior is both ludicrous and untenable.
“almost everyone hides behind a fake name”
Unfortunately, it is the nature of today’s political climate in which people can not simply use logic and reason because if this results in a politically incorrect statement, there could be a severe backlash.
People sometimes lose jobs, etc.
On the other hand, anonymity causes some people to be more opinionated and speak more harshly toward those who disagree. I’ve been guilty myself on this forum.
But the thing about this forum is that it is built around a community of generally likeminded people (heated arguments notwithstanding) who are relatively conservative and patriotic.
Twitter, like most modern media that has been hijacked by the left, just masquerades as being for everyone.
Thank God that Trump is able to cut through the clutter and say what needs to be said.
De Monet, De Monet!
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